On 7/14/25 7:16 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt via Mailman-Users wrote:
* Mark Sapiro :
SUBSCRIBE_FORM_MIN_TIME = seconds(number)
What's a good value? 5?
It's difficult to say. I've thought 5 was good, but I've seen a recent
attack where a bot would GET the form and wait 15 sec
77.90.185.49 and the HELO is always . Also in
my case the body always starts with the same 10 characters and I have a
postfix body checks rule on the pattern /^no inquiry.+$/ to discard
them. You can also configure postfix to reject or discard on client IP
using smtpd_recipient_restrictions = chec
submitting it to prevent
bots from submitting a canned form or getting the form and replying
immediately.
This may help.
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#x27;utf-8', 'ltr')
to mm_cfg.py. Also, if you have any iso-8859-1 strings in the list's
configuration, you have to recode those. There is a script at
https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/recode_list that can do that.
Possibly you had already done some or all of this in your 2.1
otect against subscription spam.
```
in Defaults.py.
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On 6/7/25 08:13, edi...@visionscience.com wrote:
Is there a programmatic way to reset the “nomail” flag on all subscribers of a
mailing list?
Is it possible to restrict this to the “B” variant?
See https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py
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may turn something up. I think the answer, if there is one, is to
somehow configure dovecot to be aware of the mailman lists and route
those addresses to mailman.
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erver.
It's set to `no` because `yes` is the default and the appropriate
setting for MM 2.1 is `no` except it shouldn't matter because
owner-listname is not a MM 2.1 address and while listname-request is, in
a MM 2.1 installation recipient_delimiter is normally set to `+`.
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attack could just as well be carried out by sending the mail to the
archiver directly. There are no plans to address this in Mailman 2.1.
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On 4/8/25 21:30, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mark Sapiro writes:
> On 4/8/25 07:06, Abbas Butt via Mailman-Users wrote:
> > TypeError: 'int' object is not subscriptable.
Sure looks like spam intended to phish us into clicking on an
unrelated link.
I thought so too
ilman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/
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for a bit more on these issues.
These issues should be reported to cPanel so that cPanel can fix them.
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e are focused on
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Issues with cPanel Mailman should be reported to cPanel. See
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On 3/25/25 1:39 PM, Ninad N. Shaha via Mailman-Users wrote:
Myself Ninad. I recently installed Mailman3. I am new to MM3.
This list is for Mailman 2.1. For Mailman 3, please use
https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/
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hyperkitty/base.html
For Mailman core, where are you seeing the version exposed?
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surprised there are issues. Migrating Mailman 2.1 to Python 3 is not an
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On 3/6/25 4:05 AM, Eva Isaksson via Mailman-Users wrote:
Also the list archive seems to have lost the "lists" part of the URL.
After trying to refresh the configuration of this list, the problem
persists. How to fix this?
See the withlist script at mailman/bin/fix_url.py
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in an Exim environment.
return a domain or list of domains including the mailman list domain?
However, since the mailman sender seems to be
@template.missourimasternaturalists.org
and other mail from that domain is signed, that's not the issue.
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/private/${dkim_domain}"
dkim_canon = relaxed
hosts_try_chunking = 198.51.100.1
message_linelength_limit = 2048
.ifdef ARCSIGNING
arc_sign =
$primary_hostname:default:/var/cpanel/domain_keys/private/$primary_hostname:default
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. Does the dkim_domain setting in the transport include the list
domain?
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n, you may need
something like
SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From
in your opendkim.conf. I.e., you need to reference a header that always
contains the list domain.
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On 1/25/25 10:07, jerry.barnabee--- via Mailman-Users wrote:
Is there any work around that can add a valid DKIM signature to outgoing
mailman 2.x emails.
You need to configure your outgoing MTA to DKIM sign the mail.
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M under cPanel.
And this is a cPanel issue. Our check_perms
<https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/check_perms>
contains no checksetuidwrap() function and doesn't have a --noarchives
option. See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel> for wh
re originally subscribed for MIME format.
Again, this only affects the format of digests and has nothing to do
with HTML vs plain text in any case.
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is a problem but is a misconfiguration in the outgoing MTA and has
nothing to do with Mailman. They need to see
https://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html for info on configuring exim
(cPanel's MTA of choice) to work with Mailman.
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.py
scripts at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/ (mirrored at
https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/) which can at least get you the
list membership by screen scraping the admin web UI.
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ould probably fix this error, but getting
it everywhere will avoid future issues.
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On 12/27/24 14:50, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Then run
```
bin/config_list -i path_to_the_above_file
```
Ooops. That should be
```
bin/config_list -i path_to_the_above_file LISTNAME
```
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mlist.members['user@@example.com']
```
Then run
```
bin/config_list -i path_to_the_above_file
```
I think that should do it.
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m MTA). Presumably, mail is getting to exim because it is
ultimately delivered to local users. If non-mailman mail is delivered to
external users without problems, the issue is probably in exim's
configuration for mailman. See https://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html
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rmation in the MTA's logs. Why the fact that Mailman connects
to the MTA at 127.0.0.1 complicates this in any way is not something I
understand.
Hopefully you can find someone at hostmonster that has a clue.
If this is cPanel mailman, see
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel
-
/Mailman%20consulting%20services
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These mailman generated messages to one recipient are normal
occurrences. They could be responses to email commands, address
confirmation requests for attempted subscribes, confirmation requests
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None, language)
-print doc.Format()
+user = None
+loginpage(mlist, doc, user, language)
+print doc.Format()
return
# Avoid cross-site scripting attacks
```
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On November 30, 2024 2:07:54 PM PST, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Compare your Mailman/Cgi/options.py to
> <https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Cgi/options.py>.
> Do they match?
They won't match because there have been changes since 2.1.39, b
st never got to Mailman because of some issue
with the action URL in the form tag, but if a password reminder got sent in
spite of the `End of script` error, that's not it. Compare your
Mailman/Cgi/options.py to
<https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head
On November 30, 2024 8:10:10 AM PST, dde...@cyberthugs.com wrote:
>Quoting Mark Sapiro (m...@msapiro.net):
>
>> On 11/29/24 7:48 AM, dde...@cyberthugs.com wrote:
>
>Both commands return as expected - the first the long list of config
>values, and the second just retur
u run Mailman's
bin/config_list -o - LISTNAME
Does this throw an exception with a traceback? If not, how about
bin/config_list -i /dev/null LISTNAME
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or Remind buttons?
Does this just happen for one list or for others, e.g. the `mailman` list?
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t;>> try:
... m.send_digest_now()
... finally:
... m.Unlock()
...
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need
to put
```
sender_headers: from
```
in the `[mailman]` section of mailman.cfg. If you just want to drop
Reply-To, you can use
```
sender_headers: from from_ sender
```
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needs to be. To work around
this you need to add
```
^.*@gmail\.com
```
to Privacy options... ->Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_addresses.
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be just between the browser and the web server.
It’s very odd. I’ve requested that she let me know immediately the next time it
happens so I can get more accurate timing.
Your OP mentions `rotor`. Is there a screen reader involved?
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access_log and error_log in it's var/logs/ directory
(or wherever it keeps its logs.
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On 9/20/24 04:57, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo via Mailman-Users wrote:
Hi Mark:
After upgrade to mailman-2.1.30-1 when I create a new list, the list is created
correctly in the alias file and in virtual-mailman file, but the new list does
not work until I run the command /usr/lib/mailman/bin
eded while pickling an object
This says that the specific message object can't be pickled, probably
because it contains some circular reference. I don't know how that could
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est/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configuration
or
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configuration
for examples.
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m 02:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
The log I received contains tracebacks like
```
...
admin(24054): File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/email/utils.py", line 168, in
getaddresses
admin(24054): fieldvalues = [unicode(v) for v in fieldvalues]
admin(24054): UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii&#x
s will not receive mail.
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On 9/8/24 20:56, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Find the error and traceback in Mailman's `error` log. See
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel for more information.
The log I received contains tracebacks like
```
admin(24054): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(24054): File
rom your cPanel host.
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epted, however Google didn't return success.
Are you using reCaptcha v3. If so, you need v2. Mailman's reCaptcha
support requires v2.
Also, V2 may not do the squares thing.
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ot yet in MM3. MM3 does not support
subscribing to topics and it does not support MM2.1's sibling list
feature, but MM3 is under active development so feature requests can be
implemented.
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virtualenv.html
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duplicate the
issue is more strongly suggestive that this is a cPanel Mailman issue.
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trying to treat these strings as ascii.
I'm still investigating this locally, but so far I don't see the issue.
this could be related to the python version which in my case is 2.7.18
or possibly it's a cPanel issue.
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er to diagnose this. If this is cPanel, see
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ning a utf-8 encoded emoji that can't be encoded as iso-8859-1.
It may be a cPanel issue as both users who've reported in this thread
have cPanel mailman.
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auth.txt except something is wrong in the installation
because all those %(listname)s, %(hostname)s, etc. should be replaced
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m
templates/de/postauth.txt except something is wrong in the installation
because all those %(listname)s, %(hostname)s, etc. should be replaced
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= 'https:///mailman/'
(substituting for of course) in mm_cfg.py and then fun
fix_url, see https://wiki.list.org/x/4030616
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sions for all didn’t
fix the problem.
It is not clear what directory is the mount pount for this, but it is
mounted read-only. No one, not even root, can write to it. Look at
/etc/fstab
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above should be `p.wait()`, not `p.wait` and should precede the
`lines=p.stdout.readlines()` statement.
return(lines)
For the permissions issue, you need to run this as the Mailman user or
possibly the web server user, i.e. a user that has permission to read
the list's confi
"our servers send emails to
root@". Perhaps this issue has something to do with specific
From: or Sender: headers in these mails.
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the
Message.get_sender() method. See the doc string at
https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Message.py#L115
for how this is determined and how it is affected by the
mm_cfg.USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER setting.
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it would be worth contacting
that server's admin to see if they will whitelist you. Also, setting
VERP_PROBES = Yes
in mm_cfg.py may keep these members from having delivery disabled and
being removed if the probes don't bounce.
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> Where is the correct place to make suggestions going forward?
Mailman 2.1 is not being updated. See
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-annou...@python.org/message/TJLEX52N2ARNOQBC2ZNYMNV5U226R5NM/
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On 6/6/24 11:07 AM, Russell Clemings wrote:
If you have shell (command line) access there's a script for that
(get_bounce_info.py) here:
https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/
The bounce log is in mailman/logs but again I think you'll need the command
line to get there.
Mark can correct
nfig you posted initially, I might
have seen that your list had a pipeline attribute and that it was based
on an older version and was missing the WrapMessage handler which is why
the From: wasn't munged.
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gt; Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action to Munge From.
It should be irrelevant when General Options -> from_is_list = Munge
From, but I don't know what cPanel might be doing.
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rectly
th a googlemail user, not from the list, gan google, for reasons alluded
to at <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en>, added the
via stuff.
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ich should be setting jaok and kook = True and the imports of
japanese, korean and korean.aliases should be conditional on those being
False.
In any case, you can just remove those imports from
/oldroot/usr/lib/mailman/bin/paths.py.
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On 5/8/24 10:55, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote:
Correct, perfect!!!, thank you so much Mark, you are a crack.
Do you recomended migrate 2.1 to 3?, I have some automatizes shell scripts for
new list, del users etc, and I am scared for do it.
There are a few Mailman 2.1 features not yet in
On 5/8/24 00:51, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote:
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'listas.colegioderegistradores.es'
This is the issue. POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS is a list of strings,
not a string. It needs to be
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['listas.colegioderegistradore
On 5/7/24 02:41, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote:
2.1.29-12 version.
Sorry mark, I don't understand what else I can review.
What do you have in both Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, DEFAULT_URL_HOST, POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and
all add_virtualhost() statements? Als
o the mailman server has to
diagnose/fix this. With luck, your hosting company can do this. If they
need help, they can get it here.
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I.e., the list's `host_name` must not be in `POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS`.
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
Is the list's domain listed in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py?
On 5/5/24 23:58, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote:
Yes Mark, and in add_virtualhost.
Does the domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS match the list's
host_name as shown on the list adm
ed in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py?
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ffice365.com if this is possible and if so, what they require
in the SMTP transaction to accomplish it. Then we could look at what
Mailman/Postfix can do to enable it.
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unconditionally by setting General Options -> from_is_list.
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ile LISTNAME
```
This will probably work, but may have undesired effects such as trying
to post to that URL from a public page. You just have to try it and see.
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On 4/24/24 08:36, Dennis Putnam wrote:
On 4/23/2024 2:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Look in the logs of your web server.
Look at the source of the admindb page you are trying to submit. In
particular you are looking for a FORM tag like
```
```
Does that URL look correct? If not see lines 67-95
~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Defaults.py.in
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To unsu
for a domain.
In addition, Mailman's `error` log will have entries when there are DNS
exceptions in looking up DMARC policy, but all these result in
mitigations being applied as though the policy was `reject`.
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On 4/18/24 08:08, Laack, Andrea P. via Mailman-Users wrote:
I am setting up a Mailman 2 instance and am looking for a searchable
archiver. Is there anything available for Mailman 2 that provides
searching?
On 2024-04-19 03:40, Mark Sapiro wrote:
See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030514
On 4/18/24 08:08, Laack, Andrea P. via Mailman-Users wrote:
I am setting up a Mailman 2 instance and am looking for a searchable archiver.
Is there anything available for Mailman 2 that provides searching?
See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030514
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On 4/14/24 19:12, Barry S. Finkel wrote:
For MM2, Mark gave me a patch to allow multiple owners;
only the first one in the string was checked. But that
was not a problem for me. Anyone who wants can contact me
off-list, and I will try to see if I have that patch in my
archives. I no longer
tions... -> Spam filters -> Details for
header_filter_rules if you haven't already.
**Question: Is there a way to use [Spam filters] (or any other setting
in the GUI admin panel) to filter for keywords in the body of the
incoming email message?**
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overlooking it somewhere?
Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> default_member_moderation
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On 3/18/24 00:55, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
Ah. I thought they were running MM2.
A very reasonable thought considering this is a Mailman 2 support list.
Also, as Steve points out, the error probably doesn't come from LMTP
runner(aiosmtpd) which issues a different message.
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may be
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ion match "/listinfo(.*)" {
request rewrite "/listinfo/%1"
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location match "/create(.*)" {
request rewrite "/create/%1"
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Much regards,
Mark.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 10:
On 3/8/24 11:17 PM, Mark wrote:
Under OpenBSD's httpd, my mailman setup gives an HTTP 404 error when
'mysite.com/listinfo' is
typed, however 'mysite.com/listinfo/' works.
Caveat: I know nothing about configuring OpenBSD's httpd.
In order to *solve* this issue,
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