that
Mailman uses. So I'm asking my hosting provider about that possibility.
Grace and Peace,
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I've recently run into the exact same issue with BlueHost (actually JustHost)
and it is a cPanel version of Mailman. And they told me the same thing and
recommended I use another program. So greatly interested in finding a solution
for how to fix this problem that just crept up recently.
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Any idea how to get those malformed links to match the listserv.mydomain.com
base URL?
Thanks!
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Howdy,
I recently updated from mailman 2.1.? to 2.1.26. After this update users can
not subscribe or unsubscribe. Here is the error from the mailman log. Any
ideas what I need to fix? It may be a database problem?
Thanks
Jeff
Mar 27 08:57:49 2018 admin(21493
a great help to
me when the original problem came up, and this has worked great in an
environment where servers can be rebooted without notice.
On 04/07/2015 01:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 04/07/2015 08:09 AM, Jeff Taylor wrote:
I've been running the modified slice code (three slice serve
I've been running the modified slice code (three slice servers plus one
backup server) for the past couple years, and generally speaking it has
run perfectly. However every now and then I find that mailman is
suddenly not running on any of the servers, with no helpful information
showing in th
report what the behaviour is.
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disabled" if you are going to parse the HTML into a plain text list.
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On 08/13/2014 10:17 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
* Russell Woodford :
How do I get a full list of subscribers via the Mailman web contr
Jeff White - GNU+Linux Systems Administrator
University of Pittsburgh - CSSD
On 07/02/2014 09:28 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 07/02/2014 03:58 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:
I know this has been asked before, but I haven't found anything about whether
or not this will be a future change or how to
text
messages).
On 05/25/2014 12:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/24/14, 9:53 PM, Jeff Taylor wrote:
Its odd, I could have sworn the slicing used to be done per recipient,
not per message. I've had to check logs for a client to confirm her
messages went out, and generally had check all three m
add more redundancy to ensure the out queue
would get processed, even if it took a couple minutes for a backup
machine to get to them.
On 05/25/2014 10:52 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 05/24/2014 06:53 PM, Jeff Taylor wrote:
Its odd, I could have sworn the slicing used to be done per recipient,
not
On 05/24/2014 03:05 PM, Jeff Taylor wrote:
After stopping mailman, machine #1 shows:
May 24 15:23:34 2014 (11512) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 11516, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/3)
Machine #2:
May 24 15:21:56 2014 (12767) Master qrunner detected subpr
After stopping mailman, machine #1 shows:
May 24 15:23:34 2014 (11512) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 11516, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/3)
Machine #2:
May 24 15:21:56 2014 (12767) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 12769, sig: None, sts: 15, clas
The entire QRUNNERS section on the machines looks like this:
QRUNNERS = [
('ArchRunner', 3,0,3), # messages for the archiver
('BounceRunner', 3,0,3), # for processing the qfile/bounces directory
('CommandRunner', 3,0,3), # commands and bounces from the outside
world
('Inc
After doing some upgrades, I noticed yesterday that my multi-machine
setup is no longer properly slicing the queue between machines. I
probably missed something, but after going through all my notes on the
setup I cannot figure out what the problem in. Hopefully someone else
can spot the issu
couple
years. Thanks!
On 04/09/2014 04:32 PM, Jeff Taylor wrote:
I just upgraded an old ubuntu machine from oneiric to precise, and now
I cannot get mailman to run. Something starts up long enough to set a
pid file, but then it simply dies. There is nothing being added to
either syslog or any
I just upgraded an old ubuntu machine from oneiric to precise, and now I
cannot get mailman to run. Something starts up long enough to set a pid
file, but then it simply dies. There is nothing being added to either
syslog or any of the mailman log files. I tried reinstalling mailman,
and mad
.
I'm currently on version 2.1.6 (I don't control the upgrade schedule) :)
Thanks,
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205-726-4662
jmwhitco samford edu
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P Think before you print
-
When set
to 0 or very low it will always be true and a digest of a single message
is sent out for every message.
Jeff White - GNU+Linux Systems Administrator
University of Pittsburgh - CSSD
On 03/09/2013 12:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Jeff White wrote:
On 2.1.14 I have a list where multiple m
problem. Mailman is not logging any errors regarding this list.
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away from the Mac solution, and set up some flavor of
Unix with more current versions of Postfix and Mailman. I know this is a
very broad question, but I have a blank canvas here... just looking for a
direction to go in.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks
<http://risd.cc/finadmin-faq>
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No problems, I'm at least aware of the indented nature of python. I'll
get this code added in later in the week and give it a trial run, see
what happens. Thanks!
On 12/23/2012 02:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>> Mark Sapiro writes:
>>
>> Python is indentation-sensiti
I have been running mailman 2.1 from three servers with NFS sharing for
the past couple years, but due to a recent issue I did some digging and
found the suggestions for clustering at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-March/060753.html
(the post by Mark Sapiro detailing how to set
We've had several user's email accounts get hacked, and spam get sent
out to the entire list.
When this happened before, I would simply check their moderation bit
and could hold messages until I was assured their account was secured.
I tried to do this yesterday, and began receiving the below err
kberry mail
software is seeing the header as a 'signature' and not displaying anything
below it, but I might be way off-base. I don't have a blackberry, and
never have had one, so I am a little blind on that end.
Anyway .. TIA for any help.
Jeff
The errors suggest that the ownership should be httpd:mailman with
--with-mail-gid=httpd, but that seems silly. I think it should be
postfix:mailman and --with-mail-gid=postfix but then how would Apache,
running as httpd, be able to do anything?
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TIA!
I don't have an answer to your question, but do you have access to your
DNS servers? If so, I would recommend you create a host address like
lists.example.com and have that point to your e-mail server. That way all
of your url redirects will work correctly.
Jeff
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> bounce score greater than zero. I review the report daily to
> spot bad addresses.
>
> Look at the Mailman logs
>
> /var/log/mailman/bounce
>
> and maybe other logs in that directory.
Are you sure about the 1.0
that before I upgrade to the latest
> version of Mailman, this also worked when users were on multiple lists.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Dave
You don't mention what version you are currently running. You want to use
umbrella lists.
ticking/ticking public/private
in the list's web admin interface) to make the archives private, and
accessible?
I'm running Mailman 2.1.13
Any help is appreciated.
Jeff Bernier
Office of Information Technology
Rhode Island Scho
Is there a way to set a list members Nomail flag from the command line?
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Bernier wrote:
>>
>>I am using the command line to set, or unset a members moderation flag as
>>follows:
>>
>>./withlist -r set_mod staff -u emailaddr...@domain.com
>>
>>Is there a way to do
2.1.13
Thanks for any help you offer.
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:51:39 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>
>>I have two umbrella lists. When a bounce gets received it doesn't do
>>anything because the users are not subscribed to the umbrella list. Is
>>there a way for me to set the um
moved?
I am running Mailman version 2.1.12.
Thanks,
Jeff
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ailman version 2.1.13
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
I believe the 'use
Using Mailman v2.1.13
Is it possible to insertt the 'Member Name' within the body of the welcome
message?
I haven't been able to find a variable that works, I've tried:
%(user)s
%(username)s
%(user_address)s
These all come through as code, not as the subscriber's full name.
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Weinberger wrote:
> >
> >I need to export the list of e-mails subscribed to one list. Is there a
> way
> >to do that? (text file, database form, etc. are all ok...)
>
>
> See the FAQ at <http://wiki.li
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:41:38 -0700, Chris Miller
wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals. I know this subject has
>> been talked about a lot. Everything I could find via Google was from at
>> least a year ago though. I was wondering
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:13:59 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>
>>I am running Mailman version 2.1.12. I have full personalization turned
>>on to help with bounces. I have all of the verp options turned on:
>>
>>
>>
>>VE
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:12:12 +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt
wrote:
> * Jeff Grossman :
>> I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals. I know this subject has
>> been talked about a lot. Everything I could find via Google was from at
>> least a year ago though. I was wondering
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:37:20 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull"
wrote:
> Jeff Grossman writes:
> > I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals. I know this subject has
> > been talked about a lot. Everything I could find via Google was from
at
> > least a year ago t
I have a question regarding Yahoo deferrals. I know this subject has
been talked about a lot. Everything I could find via Google was from at
least a year ago though. I was wondering if anybody has found new ways
of limiting the Yahoo deferrals? I run two mailing lists. Each one is
an announcem
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:56:52 -0700, "Mark Sapiro" wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>
>>Is there a way to either use the remove_members program of unsubscribe a
>>member from all lists using the web? I would prefer this instead of
>>having to connect to the s
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:54:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>
>>I am running Mailman for two announcement only mailing list. It is
>>running with no problems. I wanted to send out an announcement to all
>>of my members without them getting a duplic
? I would prefer this instead of
having to connect to the server via ssh each time I want to use it.
Thanks,
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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:33:31 -0700, "Mark Sapiro" wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>
>>I am using the
>>postfix-to-mailman.py script to automatically create the virtual mapping
>>in Postfix. All of my lists are working perfectly, except mail to
>>postma
recipient table
Can anybody tell me what I messed up in the configuration? I followed
each item at the top of the postfix-to-mailman.py file, but I get the
rejected message.
Thanks,
Jeff
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y times of sending a you are disabled e-mail, the user is unsubscribed.
>
> Also, is there a way to unsubscribe all the disabled addresses
> on a given list with one single command?
Not sure about that one. But, I would imagine once you change the s
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:48:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>
>>I am moving my Mailman 2.1.12 installation from an old Mac OS X box to a
>>freshly installed Debian stable machine. I am running Mailman 2.1.12
>>from testing. I copied over my lists dire
.
Thanks,
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I have an instance of Postfix-(2.4.3) running on my Mailman-(2.1.9) host-(Mac
OSX 10.5.6).
I am relatively new to both Mailman and Postfix, so I'm not sure where to look.
Is there something in Postfix that may be causing this?
>>> Mark Sapiro 4/24/2009 10:52 AM >>>
Jef
If I Telnet directly to Mailman with a bogus list name, I get the same result.
>>> Mark Sapiro 4/24/2009 10:32 AM >>>
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator
>request queue in my "Mailman" list.
So
l server (e.g., if the list is myl...@myserver.edu,
then ssh onto myserver.edu) and check the contents of /etc/aliases. See
who myl...@myserver.edu is aliased to.
On 04/24/2009 09:26 AM, Jeff Bernier wrote:
> Sorry... I just wish to clarify... the message gets put in the moderator
> requ
a
notice indicating their message is being held for moderator approval with the
reason: "Message has implicit destination"
My questions are... Why is it being held if the list does not exist? Can I
alter the behavior of Mailman to discard the message in
ation"
My questions are... Why is it being held if the list does not exist? Can I
alter the behavior of Mailman to discard the message instead?
Thanks,
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Hello,
What is the easiest was to selectively remove archived messages from a list?
I don't want to purge it completely, just remove some items.
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Once again Mark, Thank you. Adding the two lines you mentioned fixed it.
As I'm getting acquainted with Mailman, I'm trying to pay close attention to
the how-tos, fixes, and workings of things. Maybe some day I'll be a help to a
newbie.
-Jeff
Mark Sapiro 3/23/2009 2:10 PM &
27;hostname.risd.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'hostname.risd.edu'
It looks correct to me. I know I'm missing something though.
I need Mailman for dummies.
>>> Mark Sapiro 3/23/2009 11:47 AM >>>
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>
>When attempting to create a list from Mailman's
Thank you Mark for your help explaining this. Great stuff!
Jeff
>>> Mark Sapiro 3/23/2009 12:48 PM >>>
Jeff,
I see the problem. you have two lists named "dm" and "dm-admin", but
LISTNAME-admin is one of the aliases created for every LISTNAME.
Thus,
I should have included this in my message. When crating a list from the command
line, The list creates ok, but I see this message just after I enter the
initial list password:
postalias: warning: /private/var/mailman/data/aliases.db: duplicate entry:
"dm-admin"
Hi All,
When attempting to create a list from Mailman's web interface, I get:
Error: Unknown virtual host: lists.risd.edu
I can create lists at the command line just fine.
How can I correct this?
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ing a graphical SSH utility called WinSCP to make these changes. Could
this be part of my problem?
Mailman 2.1.9 on Mac OS X Server 10.5.6
Any help is appreciated.
-Jeff
Jeff Bernier
eMail Administrator
Office of Information Technology
Rhode Island School of Design
401.454
at should be the file and directory permissions in the Archives structure?
-Jeff
>>> Mark Sapiro 3/10/2009 1:08 PM >>>
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>
>I 've noticed several files in my shunt folder. when I run show_qfiles, I see
>that they are messages to one of my lists. I h
setup logging for Mailman?
Are these messages being put into shunt possibly because of a file permissions
problem?
What should I do with the files in shunt?
Running Mailman 2.1.9 on OSX 10.5.4
Any and all help is appreciated.
-Jeff
"It does not require many words to speak the truth."
What does residual bounce received mean in the bounce log file?
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Never mind... I just found the find_member command. It was right next to the
"find_command" command.
Sorry to waste bandwidth.
Jeff
>>> "Jeff Bernier" 2/17/2009 1:54 PM >>>
Good day all,
Is there an easy way to search all my Mailman lists for a parti
Good day all,
Is there an easy way to search all my Mailman lists for a particular member?
Jeff
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>
>>Don't temporary failures get a score of 0.5 while a permanent failure
>> gets
>>a score of 1.0? So, if that is the case, these temporary failures would
>>take longer to suspend the account. I think these sh
Brad Knowles wrote:
> on 2/14/09 10:49 AM, Jeff Grossman said:
>> I have not been able to find any answers
>> via Google or the mailing list archives. I have set up all of the
>> parameters, but the program never finishes running. When I run i
Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 02/13/2009 07:29 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today.
>> The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been
>> caught by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that
I have started getting the following error message in my log files. It
appears to be when Mailman receives a bounce for a non-member.
Feb 13 21:31:25 2009 qrunner(527): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 13 21:31:25 2009 qrunner(527): File
"/Applications/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278,
I know the mmdsr program is an unsupported application, but I am hoping
somebody here can help me out. I have not been able to find any answers
via Google or the mailing list archives. I have set up all of the
parameters, but the program never finishes running. When I run it from
the command lin
I received a uncaught bounce notification from one of my lists today.
The bounce looks pretty normal, and figured it should have been caught
by the bounce system. How do I report bounce formats that did not get
caught by the bounce system?
Here is the bounce. I changed the e-mail address. An
I just moved over to Mailman from a program called LetterRip Pro on the
Macintosh. The main reason I moved over was because of the poor bounce
management in LetterRip. I have a few questions about setup and usage
that I am hoping somebody can help me out with. I am running 5
announcement/newslet
Thank you Mark,
That worked flawlessly. The list members will appreciate seeing all the archive
history.
Regards,
Jeff
>>> Mark Sapiro 2/11/2009 12:34 PM >>>
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>
>Is it possible to take these older archives and move them over to be added to
>
not a must-have, but
would be nice.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
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Mailman
When a user reaches the threshold for bouncing, does the e-mail address
get removed from all lists on the server or just the list for which they
were bouncing?
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Is it possible to remove the web reference from the e-mail help file? I
have changed the help.txt template, but the one line about your options
after the results line is not in that file. Is that in the source
somewhere? Here is an example of the file:
The results of your email command are p
rship and permissions before
re-running the withlist and arch commands again.
Thank You... Thank You Mark and others for your help!
Jeff
>>> On 2/5/2009 at 1:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>No... I cannot get to the moved lists URL. I get the same Bug in Mailman
I had forwarded
below.
I will take a look at the link you noted to try to determine where the fault
is. Of course, ultimately, it's my fault.
I'm very new to Unix based commands, and Mailman in general, so I really
appreciate your patience and assistance here.
Regards,
Jeff
>&
, in __load
dict = loadfunc(fp)
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'append'
What did I do wrong? Any Ideas what this means?
Help!
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I'm completely stumped.
Any ideas?
Jeff
>>> On 2/3/2009 at 5:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>
>Correcting permissions on the file directory you mention took care of it... I
>am now able to log in as list admin. Thank you.
>
>I now cannot however,
k and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
Do I need to restart services or something?
Jeff
>>> On 1/30/2009 at 11:47 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Jeff Bernier wrote:
>I am retiring an old
Mark and others,
Thank you very much for your help with this. I have just one more question...
The source Mailman for my list to be moved is version 2.1.5. The destination
Mailman is version 2.1.9. Is there anything I need to take into consideration
with my move?
-Jeff
>>> On 1/3
instructions is greatly appreciated.
-Jeff
>>> On 1/30/2009 at 11:14 AM, Adam McGreggor wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:59:06AM -0500, Jeff Bernier wrote:
> I am retiring an older system running Mailman, and I would like to
> move one of its lists to our shiny new server. I have seen
me how this is done? I have no real experience working with
Mailman... so go easy on me.
I am running mailman 2.1.9 on a Mac X Server v10.5.4.
Thank you for any help you can offer.
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I am a newbie to Mailman and have a few questions:
What version of Mailman is recommended ? Am I good with 2.1.9?
Are there any issues with moving lists from 2.1.5 running on a G4?
Thanks a bunch,
Jeff
Jeff Bernier
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ideas are welcome.
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still working for theses lists. How can I completely
remove this old password?
Any help is appreciated.
Jeff
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still working for theses lists. How can I completely
remove this old password?
Any help is appreciate.
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Hello All,
I am a newbie to the Mailman ListServer, so go easy...
I have a new server running our new Mailman Lists. I also have an older system
containing Mailman lists that I want to migrate to the new server.
Is this possible? If so... how is it done?
Any help is appreciated.
-Jeff
Hmm... My @rutgers.edu and @princeton.edu e-mail addresses both forward to
my Gmail and work fine.
But I do understand the issue now. I guess I'll just have to see how it
goes...
Thank you for the heads up!
Jeff
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED
me when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages
on my announce-only mailing list. So as long as it continues to keep my
announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.
Should I be worried?
Thanks,
Jeff
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTE
o install DomainKeys!
Thanks again guys!
Jeff
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> jeff zemla wrote:
>
> I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to
>> work,
>> which leads me to believe it is being
says "Things will be here shortly") i dont know why gmail
would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.
Any ideas?
Thanks!
Jeff
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I don't know what happened, but earlier this morning, my subscribers
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anything, other than to ask a few of our subscribers to add our domain
to their "Safe List". At least for now, our issue seems to have solved
itself .. unt
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