On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:10:35 -0400
Bryan Blackwell wrote:
Hello Bryan,
>When e-mail lists had no web interface, subscribers would often send
>admin commands - "unsubscribe", "set digest", etc., to the actual list
Sadly, many people still do. Despite the appearance of footer notes
telling them w
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:04:14 -0400
Barry Warsaw wrote:
Hello Barry,
>FWIW, lists.debian.org does not run Mailman.
Fair enough. Seems to me to be less likely that Peter's problem is the
same, as other list owners of mailman run lists would probably be
reporting similar errors.
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:21:58 +
Peter Bossley wrote:
Hello Peter,
>mailing lists need to work properly as well. Does anyone have any
>suggestions or ideas on why the Munge setting didn't seem to have an
>impact?
I'm far from being an expert regarding DKIM, DKMS and mailman, but what
I can sa
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:56:21 -0700
Carl Zwanzig wrote:
Hello Carl,
>(As I've opined before, IME many people consider what we might call
>inline posting to be "bottom posting". I follow language that usage.)
More and more these days, on many mailing lists, I see *real* bottom
posting(1); Severa
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 13:24:25 +0100
Roland Miyamoto wrote:
Hello Roland,
>I am running Mailman 2.1.15 under Debian 7.
>Will the fix be included in the usual repository updates?
I can't speak as an authority on either Mailman of Debian, only as a
user, but security updates are usually ported to
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:39:00 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote:
Hello Stephen,
>Usenet over UUCP via 300 baud modems on backbone servers with 5MB
>disks.[1]
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:52:19 -0400
Tanstaafl wrote:
Hello Tanstaafl,
>On 3/19/2015 6:47 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
>> In many mail user agents, when you press the "Reply" button the
>> program will analyze the headers, determine that the post being
>> replied to came from a list and offer a "Re
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:35:52 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote:
Hello Stephen,
>Does this actually work? In practice, I get the feeling that a large
>minority at least unsets "nodupes". XEmacs lists default to nodupes,
I always turn NoDupes off. The reason being that I *want* the list
copy,
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 23:19:29 +0200
jdd wrote:
Hello jdd,
>Le 16/04/2014 20:59, Brad Rogers a écrit :
>> Because every time you change provider, you would have to change email
>> address too.
>does this occur often?
It can, yes. In the past year, I've changed pro
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:31:25 +0200
jdd wrote:
Hello jdd,
>(... why people can't use they ISP's mail?)
In case that's not a rhetorical question:
Because every time you change provider, you would have to change email
address too. When you're subscribed to over one hundred mailing lists,
to say
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:43:27 +0200
nikos wrote:
Hello nikos,
>What will happened if i remove (leave blank) Prefix for subject line?
There will be no prefix to add to the subject line. This is not harmful
in any way but some people prefer, for various reasons, to have them.
Some MUAs seem to ha
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:17:06 +0530
"Amit Bhatt" wrote:
Hello Amit,
>I wish to send an attached file with list guidelines via welcome
Does it need to be an attachment? Why not enter the guidelines into the
body of the message as plain text?
Of course, 99.999% of people *don't* read the welcom
any problems or made any changes (even apparently
trivial ones).
> Another very useful tool for analyzing mail issues is swaks.
Now that's a tool I had not heard of before. I'm assuming you mean the tool at
<http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/>?
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that your "real"
customers are also prevented from being able to post -- that would be throwing
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:37:06 -0400
Dennis Putnam wrote:
Hello Dennis,
>Is there a way to suspend or otherwise prevent a subscriber from posting
Put them on 'moderation', which means all their posts have to be
approved before they go out to the list. I know that means work, but
you could just i
On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>> More importantly, it would be much less difficult for us to support
>> that part of the community, which would help reduce the support
>> burden that Apple has to maintain.
>
> C'mon, Brad, it's *anno
e-box, although you can still download it from
an alternative site. Of course, you could claim that was a disk space issue,
but then they're no longer shipping the OS on physical media.
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ing the Mailman fire, they cool off
>enough to realize there's nothing to benefit *anybody* in the
>Apple version, and it would be best if it just went away, so they
>don't bother asking for code. ;-)
That sequence of events doesn't serve
GPL?
In this respect, I believe that they are probably in violation of the spirit of
the GPL, but perhaps not in the letter of the law. Which is probably why they
are so very violently opposed to having any GPL-encumbered code anywhere in the
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ir customers,
and they don't support their customers themselves. Regretfully, the Server
team at Apple is well known for ignoring feedback and input from anyone else,
especially anyone else in the company.
But as I said, this is an old bone of contention.
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On Aug 8, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Well, unfortunately Gmail is closed-source and I don't know what the
> full algorithm is. Surely Message-Id is part of it, but evidently
> there are other aspects to it, or the behavior you and Brad
> R. describe wouldn&
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:09:22 +0200
Lucio Crusca wrote:
Hello Lucio,
>Brad Rogers writes:
>> Send: smtp.foo.bar
>Does that mean that I must have an external (from my mailman server
>point of view) smtp server? That would explain everything, but that
I believe so, yes. I only ru
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:19:41 -
"Lucio Crusca" wrote:
Hello Lucio,
>Like I said, I suspect it depends on the list. My current best guess is
>that older lists (i.e. the ones that had been created before some time
>in the past) don't hit the infamous feature, while newer ones do.
Gmail has *alw
admins, but then you kind of defeat the
purpose of a lot of the Mailman self-provisioning functionality.
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:51:51 -0400
"Brian Canty" wrote:
Hello Brian,
>Hello - I was wondering if anyone has a way to provide subscribers a
>simple and easy way to unsubscribe from a mailing list. I do not
What's wrong with the current challenge and response method? Stops
people from malicious
finitely find more Barry-clones-in-progress on the developers list,
especially as it relates to mm3.
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hat someone else can get their entire list sent out in 120 seconds, even
if they're the same size and they're doing all the same crypto operations. You
need what is good enough for you, and you don't need to be comparing yourself
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> were to ever call me on it, I'll worry about that then.
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such a feature, and I strongly suspect that someone else
has probably already done this. You just need to find it and install it.
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ome people who care and have a clue. I do feel that Google is the Next
Great Evil in this world, but that doesn't change the facts of the technical
implementation of their mail system relative to AOL. Of course, that's not
saying much….
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ferent department. Back
when David O'Donnell was running that shop, they did a really good job. But
things have gone way down hill ever since.
I have long since gone past the point where I consider them to be a complete
write-off, despite the fact that even my own wife still uses AOL.
ses and minuses of using a
> real mailing list (mailman) for this purpose.
There are people who are already doing this sort of thing with Mailman today,
but it requires a bit of hacking on the code to put all the pieces together.
We do not (yet) have an out-of-the-box solution in this space, at
On May 19, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Anne Wainwright wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying that, Brad, I wasn't sure what the import of
> Mark's messsage was.
>
> Why would this not be set to 'list' rather than 'bulk'?
According to RFC 2076, the "Prece
t you against yourself, and there is a
limit to how much of that we can do. At least, there is a limit to how much we
can do if we want to keep the software usable for other people.
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fact that Yahoo! is hopelessly clueless does not absolve you of
the crime that you freely admit that you are guilty of.
If you wish to persist in your spammy ways, then we can make sure that your
address gets unsubscribed from this list, and that your domain gets banned from
sending e-mail to pyt
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:39:44 +0200
Anne Wainwright wrote:
Hello Anne,
> As I said in my reply, this is hardly spam, I did not send it out to
You sent out an Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) which, to most
people, constitutes SPAM. Whether you sent it to one person or one
million is irrelevan
sensus has been that we won't kowtow to those brain-dead MUAs, and if the
users in question can't deal with these separate "attachments", then the list
admins are going to have to forgo putting footers on messages as they are being
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that Mailman itself would be putting that header on -- I
suspect that Mailman would use a Python library to do that, as opposed to doing
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run mailman 2.1.14 with Python 2.4.3 under Oracle Enterprise Linux 5
> (a clone of RHEL5)
Sometimes, problems like this are as simple as a program reading the timezone
definition on startup, and then never reading it again. Have you tried
stopping and restarting Mailman, i
On 08/15/2011 02:49 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
You're talking about inbound, and how you have outsourced many of these
kinds of checks to other boxes. That's fine as far as it goes, but I was
talking about *outbound*, from Mailman to the world of recipients.
You are likely to have
On 08/14/2011 11:24 PM, Ivan Fetch wrote:
Brad, I think we are already accomplishing a lot of this minimalism,
since the MTA on the Mailman VM is only accepting the message via SMTP,
then handing it off to Mailman via the Postfix aliases. The spam and
other checks are done before hand, by
mail being handled. This way you can set up "local"
queues in your MTA that may have different resource handling rules or
different retry algorithms, as compared to queues to external sites that
might be known for being troublesome.
We were doing this kind of thing at AOL back in the mid
27;d have to ask them where their
tools are and how those tools change from one version of RHEL to another.
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appens, then I could
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On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:42 AM, JRC Groups wrote:
> Thanks Brad and Mark for your helpful and detailed replies.
>
> I have reached a point
OS X have been transitioned over to the
mainline code development team, or if that means that a lot of products and
services will get thrown out the door as Apple re-focuses exclusively on the
retail/home user market.
But that is certainly something that you should keep in mind as you look
towa
should work in those
kinds of situations, but that's about the best we can do.
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(maybe your mailing list management software
removed them), then that would be likely to cause problems.
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ates to the Mailman installation, etc
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tickling in the back of my brain regarding this, and I
can't figure out what it is
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d that have been said so far,
I would like to point out that I have not made any irrevocable decisions on the
matter, and I have yet to take any actual action. I've spoken about what my
tendencies and inclinations would be, nothing more.
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uent that was
delivered.
In those cases, the collateral damage to the community is a very real cost that
we all have to bear our part of, just so that the company can make good on
their get-rich-quick scheme, which they perpetrate at the expense of everyone
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and then we
can get back to that win-win-win scenario mentioned above. If there's more to
it than that, then I would definitely be inclined to be much tougher in my
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all they've got. It's not executable code until Python gets its hands on it
and turns it into bytecode, and then keeps a cached copy of that bytecode
around so that it doesn't need to go through this process again, unless the
s
python.org.
Thanks for the heads-up!
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can, or should, go after
Apple. Both companies are shipping our code with extensive modifications, and
so far as I know neither of them has released their changes, as required by the
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and there, and make sure that we eat our own dogfood. However, I really should
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of mail.python.org for the past several months. Let me see how quickly we can
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thing
by doing powers-of-2 splits. Regretfully, this is not well documented, but I
think there is one or two FAQ Wiki questions that discuss it.
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ou could try that too and see what it does with your list.
> I'll make a little Python script for that.
Much simpler solution here is to use the "smtpsink" program that Wietse
supplies as part of the test harness for postfix.
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as spam and this hurts
the reputation of the site running Mailman, then the site running Mailman
should ban the downstream site that inappropriately blamed it for sending the
content that their recipient(s) asked to receive.
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I can to encode as much of my knowledge as possible into the
FAQs. Pretty much everything is there, or I point to references where the rest
of the information can be found. The key is knowing what you're looking for
and when you've found it.
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On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Derrick Wooden wrote:
> Brad, upon reading this thread again you are correct. It was NOT implied
> that MySQL would speed up email delivery, but rather MySQL would be a better
> database solution.
As a database, yes -- MySQL is better at that job than usi
article
that talks about Joomla. That's the best integration I know of, although I'm
sure there are others.
> I believe that something like this could work with phpbb2 but not the
> current release. Can anyone help please ?
I'm not personally aware of anything, but that doesn
db tables would also
> increase the speed. I will also utilize this option.
I don't know of any way that MySQL would factor into this discussion. Can you
provide a reference?
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> Anyway, you're entirely missing the point. I don't expect anybody to
> read FAQ 1.22 in advance of comitting a faux pas; this particular FAQ
> is mostly for pointing to *afterward*.
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On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Gadi Evron wrote:
> Brad Knowles wrote:
>> At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually
>> give you the support you require.
>
> Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature?
I can s
, there would be many, many fewer crappy providers in this
world.
At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually
give you the support you require.
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on. You should have
similar tools for whatever MTA you're using, so that you get a better idea of
what's going on across the whole system.
I have not touched any such scripts in many, many years, but I'm sure there are
plenty of such tools available for various popular MTAs out ther
multiple outbound mail relay servers would start to
make a big difference.
Most of these topics are at least touched on in the FAQ Wiki and the fact that
the OP hasn't mentioned them tells me that they either didn't do their
homework, or they don't understand the concepts wel
this process, please send an e-mail
message to mailman-ca...@python.org.
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oc.coker.com.au/projects/postal/>).
If you're going to be doing any benchmarking or load-testing, make sure
you read, understand, and follow all the various relevant FAQs in the
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That's not a question I can answer.
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slows down all your delivery to that site, for as
long as you have mail for that site.
But I would expect Ralf to know the answer to this question better than
I do -- after all, it has been a number of years since I wrote that, and
at my age, the memory starts to go.
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header exists is for those cases where someone
running a list *does* want to force everyone to always reply to the
whole list and not privately reply back to someone. If you don't try to
force that behaviour, then you can mostly just not worry about this header.
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<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions> and search
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g to be a more optimistic and positive person now (after my
surgery for thyroid cancer), so I guess I need to change that. Maybe
once they finally start me on the synthetic thyroid replacement drugs,
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on 7/8/09 6:12 PM, Stefan Förster said:
Thanks for your advice, Brad. The problem is that, due to policy
reasons, outgoing mail has to pass a content filter, running locally
on the Mailman box. With VERP...
Chuq von Rospach wrote some stuff in the FAQ detailing his experience
with how VERP
hen
obviously you're not going to squeeze any more blood out of that turnip.
But I would suggest that you familiarize yourself with these sections
to make sure that you're actually doing as much as you can.
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miliar with the more basic stuff discussed in the first
section of the FAQ, starting with FAQ 1.22 at <http://wiki.list.org/x/PIA9>.
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:27:22 -0500
Grant Taylor wrote:
Hello Grant,
> OoO auto responders usually reply to the From: (header) address of
> messages as they have on concept of the SMTP envelope sender. So if
Like Matthias, I ban users that use auto-responders. No amount of
begging, apologisin
n happy to speak up here or to contact you
directly.
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an OpenID Relyer.
Looking at the code might give me an idea about how to start implementing
openID support fr the mailman setup I am running,
I really don't think so. They and you seem to have very different ideas
as to where the OpenID provider code should go.
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Jones, Scott (GE Money, consultant) wrote:
Whence cometh the sudden flood of posts?
I have been remiss in my duties as moderator for this list, and today I
finally got the chance to try to catch up.
I'll try to stay more current in the future.
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:12:17 -0600
LuKreme wrote:
Hello LuKreme,
> The help says" Administrivia tests will check postings to see whether
> it's really meant as an administrative request (like subscribe,
> unsubscribe, etc), and will add it to the the administrative requests
> queue, notify
messages that are held for moderation, but there's no "approve all messages"
option.
You could always hack the source code yourself to add such a feature, if you
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same time.
IMO, this may be a better question to ask on their mailing lists, or to
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to update that data, and you still
need some way to provide e-mail input and output to that system.
There are a few ways to solve these issues, but each has a different set
of trade-offs, etc
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understood and usable by Mailman if there is a bounce,
and how many unique messages will be delivered, as opposed to how many
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ing to keep your delivery rates to
remote sites at a lower level -- if anything, it's going to increase it.
This is a postfix problem. Find the sites that cause the problems, and set
up separate queues for them, with different parallelism and
re-queueing/re-try schedules.
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this file, but perhaps your MTA does. I am glad
to hear that they were able to fix your problem for you.
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when you go for just the "base" install, as opposed to the full
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to upload
patches first to the tracker.
However, we do greatly appreciate your effort in producing these
patches, and this is a discussion that I think the developers would love
to continue to have with you. Thanks!
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