On 27/06/2014 00:54, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Mark Rousell writes:
>
> > On 26/06/2014 09:22, Malcolm Austen wrote:
> > > (I note that neither yahoo.co.uk nor aol.co.uk have published a DMARC
> > > policy.)
> >
> > As a relevant aside, AOL
by AOL Inc. in the USA
so I presume it is used by TalkTalk under licence (if they use still use
the domain -- I don't know if they do or not).
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in my
opinion, even though it still results in two email addresses ending up
in the new From field.
But if Yahoo does it that makes it ok, doesn't it? ;-)
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> Not only that, they're doing it themselves. :-(
To be fair, they are only including X-Original-From in their mail lists.
No one actually parses it yet as far as I know.
It's up to mail client developers and addon developers to start parsing
it in some way. But this is inevitab
On 26/05/2014 05:46, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Richard Damon writes:
> > On 5/25/14, 11:30 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> > > Whilst Yahoo and AOL are the ones who have chosen to
> > > use/misuse/abuse DMARC in this way, it could also be said that
> >
;re practically forcing people to use hacks to show
> unauthenticated fake From: lines.
Indeed. It's a natural response. We might as well accept it and make the
best of it.
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On 26/05/2014 01:31, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 05/25/2014 11:31 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>
>> Whilst mail client recognition of the X-Original-From header would
>> alter what users see (which is in fact a key goal in this context,
>> not a bug), DMARC would nevertheless
ially
Yahoo) can get away with this at all is because of their market size.
All mail lists providers are tiny in terms of Yahoo's size and so what
they do has no real effect on Yahoo. Yahoo doesn't need to care if a few
of its users are inconvenienced; on their scale of operations it w
On 25/05/2014 18:48, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/25/14, 11:48 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
> My view is that any attempt to have the Mail User Agent show a message
> that went through a mailing list as if it originated from the original
> poster (and only from that poster) is doomed, becau
mail clients will only show the
> first few characters of the long display name. Would this be better:
> From: " [some-mail-list] Mark Rousell ma...@signal100.com
>
If a mail client only shows the first few characters then I think
putting the mailing list name first would not be ben
What do you think of Yahoo Groups' From munging style and their
X-Original-From header?
Here is an example:
X-Original-From: Mark Rousell
From: "Mark Rousell ma...@signal100.com [some-mail-list]"
I feel this is one of the better combinations of munging and new
h
red to recognise
the X-Original-From header. Yahoo Groups are adding this to their mail
lists and it seems like a good idea (although I am not for a second
suggesting that it is the whole answer to the problem).
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from all angles then ways could surely have
been found to allow it to be used without harming existing,
standards-compliant behaviour. The consortium behind DMARC simply
weren't willing to wait or play along. It seems that some of them were
particularly desperate and were willing to harm intero
On 19/05/2014 15:29, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Mark Rousell writes:
>
> > Can Mailman include the web archive URL for a message in the message
> > header itself?
>
> Mailman 2 can't. Mailman 3 is able to do it, but I'm not sure what
> the state of the
t missed it (or if it's not
turned on by most lists).
As far as I can see, Mailman should have all the info it needs to be
able to add such a header or footer field.
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