On Jan 13, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Jan Steinman wrote:
> Thanks for your suggestions and help!
>
>> From: Larry Stone
>>
>> Log entries please.
>
> It never gets as far as Mailman. No log info occurs in mailman/error or
> mailman/qrunner.
>
> This is what
abase.
> Does this mean that "dumpdb" is bad, or does it mean that "aliases.db" is
> bad, or neither
It means dumpdb is the wrong tool for dumping aliases.db.
> Any help (despite my using an unsupported version) appreciated!
Show log entries and postconf -n as requested
e to send the messages
to a machine I do have control over - so, if there's a way to do this
that needs root access then I'd like to know that too, because that's
plan C.
See above - I think plan C is the way to go.
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I assume you are just a user of a list at ibiblio.org? If so, you can’t fix it.
Ibiblio.org has Mailman installed incorrectly. They need to install it
correctly. This problem affects all lists managed by this Mailman installation
so I assume you have also not been receiving any p
]
None is better. No would only be appropriate if ‘yes’ was the other option. But
backwards compatibility is important too (even if it’s not to most large
computer companies :-( ).
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>>>> troubles begin with DMARC.
>>>
>>> SPF checks sending IPs (of which your IPs won't match Yahoo's, thus
>>> breaking DMARC)
>>>
>>> Either an SPF failure or a DKIM failure wil
, it has not idea of what other processes start as a result so has
no way to monitor them.
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y unlikely, particularly since you say it only
happens with Yahoo, that it’s a problem in Mailman. Rather, it’s happening
after Mailman is done with the message so is not a Mailman problem per se.
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x27;ll probably get a faster response in an appropriate forum for that
MTA.
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Lion and after one
attempt on a test system, not sure I want to try to move my server beyond Lion.
Apple has changed way too much in Mountain Lion - compatibility with previous
OS versions is just not in Apple's goals (and it's the mail server piece that
has stopped me - never even
list for reasons (as stated above) that are just as valid here.
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0.0.1 to localhost)? I'm not
sure when Postfix would log the connect message in that case but since it logs
the resolved hostname, I'm thinking at the end.
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know if the delay is in Mailman or
Postfix.
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Missing the most important thing which is a Postfix log.
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On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Karsten Becker wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 07:16 AM, Stefan Foerster wrote:
>> 1. postconf -n output, as well as master.cf excerp
x27;d suggest creating another incoming Postfix
port (e.g. 20025) that is exclusively for mail from Mailman being injected to
Postfix. Configure it appropriately so that only lcoalhost or whatever other
local hosts need it can use it.
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I'd like to suggest that no one provide Mr. Cook any assistance. Since I helped
answer a question of his some months ago, mycoachonline.com has been a
persistent spam source on my server. The most recent piece of spam from his
company was received 11 hours ago.
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server ban the offending subscriber. As I said, that
AOL user has violated my terms and I am entitled to deal with that
violation. If AOL were to ever call me on it, I'll worry about that then.
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On Jun 16, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Larry Stone
> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt
> wrote:
>
> > * David :
> >
> >> Is there any method to identify the user from the AOL feed
ething sent to this list marked as spam will show it as sent from
mailman-users+redac...@python.org.
I trace then from message ID and matching to my Postfix logs.
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an AOL spam report but despite their
redacting, I can usually figure out who did it my some sleuthing through the
mail server logs. My policy for AOL users is straightforward and ruthless: do
it once and you get banned from my lists and my server. I banned my cousin once
(and in typical AOLuser
On Jun 3, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Larry Stone wrote:
>
> On Jun 3, 2012, at 1:09 AM, H wrote:
>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Pretty new to Mailman, trying to install it and looking for the correct
>> documentation to go with mailman-3.0.0b1
>
>
> MHO, if you
se of the largely re-architected Mailman 3. Stick to the
latest Mailman 2.1 production release (2.1.14) which is well documented,
debugged, and supported.
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my assumption above.
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Then check mm_cfg.py and make sure PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE hasn't been set to
something ridiculously short. While Mark stated that the default is 3 days, we
have no idea what your installation's setting for it is.
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y had a working Postfix configuration, I suspect vPostMaster
clobbered the configuration with something that knows nothing about Postfix.
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yped and everything returned in response:
cd /var/root
ls -l *mailman*
cat *mailman*.sh
cd /Library/LaunchDaemons
cat mailman.plist
The start obviously failed but any output from it should be logged in
/var/log/system.log. Try:
grep -i mailman /var/log/system.log
and include any ou
command to edit the file in vi (and
vi is not the only way to edit a text file, it's just the one I know and
use), I have not given you all the needed vi commands to create the file.
If you merely typed the lines I said need to be be in the file without any
vi commands,
e error message "unknown virtual host" is
> given, and no mailing list is created.
>
Just to show you how confused this became, I thought "unknown virtual host" was
the error being returned to someone trying to post. I do not recall you ever
saying
in one post so we don't have to go through several messages to find the
information you've dribbled out to us in multiple messages.
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ed anything you want to call them. There is
nothing magic about a Postfix transport named "mailman" that ties it to GNU
Mailman. So this is really a Postfix issue, not a Mailman issue.
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ient_limit is a Postfix parameter that is
specific to the named transport. If you don't have a transport named
mailman, then mailman_transport_destination_recipient is indeed unused.
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Larry Stone writes:
> Why do you want to reply to email addressed to the list as the list rather
> than as you. That is not the way lists are normally used (e.g. I am
> replying to mail sent to this list as myself, not as the list).
Yup
s (as opposed to a public ISP), you probably don't need such
checks.
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words, use the same
password for low and high security needs, use easy-to-guess passwords,
write them down, and other things that just make Mailman's password
concerns the least of your organization's security concerns.
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you're just a reader of a
list run through Mailman, then use a password you don't care about (by default,
Mailman generates random passwords. I don't even bother to save them as I know
I can recover it easily in the unlikely event I actually ever need it).
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2011, Graham Young wrote:
Mail generated by Mailman hangs in my dedicated, on-board MTA's queue
unless I remove a certain bit of custom Postfix configuration that I
entered following instructions kindly posted here by one Larry Stone.
I guess I'm best to answer this.
services they offer (note that I am a very
satisfied Speakeast.net DSL customer).
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On 4/18/11 1:53 AM, JRC Groups at joemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have read the page and also contacted Larry Stone. His instructions are
> for installation on OS X client and not OS X Server. I haven't found
> instructions on how to remove the Mailman version bundled by A
(or just ignoring it)
and installing a clean unmodified version from source will give you, on OS X
Server, the same as those of on "Client" have."
Going through the process yourself will teach you far more than having
someone do it for you.
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l give you, on OS X
Server, the same as those of on "Client" have.
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st SMTP has its uses (I do it to make
sure the anti-spam controls on the commands works since that's hard to do
by other means) but unless you are prepared to type everything in painful
detail, expect weird results. Mailman is best tested with real messages
sent by a proper MUA.
--
4 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
Subject:Testing from guinevere 3
This is a message 3
.
250 OK id=1Py3ZU-0003YI-Rz
QUIT
221 server closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.
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lieve bounce processing is on by default.
This is, in general, a good thing as excessive sending to dead addresses
is a good way to get yourself on some of the anti-spam blacklists.
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oblem.
If you don't see it being accepted, then determine where things are
failing on your system. Is Mailman giving it to the mail server (Postfix
on a Macintosh)? Once Postfix has it, Mailman has done its job.
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ip
(chown) and permissions (chmod).
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d
process exiting before mailman could daemonize. Since it daemonizes, launchd
can't monitor it (it's 'Run at Load' and then launchd is out of the picture)
so I deal with Mailman dying on me by having an hourly cron job that checks
for the proper number of qrunners and
o all that. There is no demo version because Mailman is a
free product. Install it and see if it does what you need it to do.
The FAQ (a link to it is at the bottom of every message on this list) can
answer a lot of your questions including some HOW-TOs and installation
guides.
l exactly 15 minutes.
If it's not that, you will need to look at your logs (both mailman and the
mail server) to figure out where the delay is being introduced.
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(The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner
processes.)
========
Step 9) Enjoy!
At this point, mailman should be ready to use. Read the documentation in
your source directory for instructions on setting up your mailing lists.
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ill vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner
processes.)
========
Step 9) Enjoy!
At this point, mailman should be ready to use. Read the documentation in
your source directory for instructions on setting up your mailing lists.
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I know, I'm reopening a ten month old thread. But I think I have a good
workaround.
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
--On 26. Juni 2009 20:22:13 +0900 Matthias Schmidt wrote:
Am/On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:22:02 -0500 schrieb/wrote Larry Stone:
On 6/18/09 7:11 PM, Bryan Har
kup copies of the Postfix config files before installing the
update this weekend).
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n.
with 3,000+ names, can the current
system handle something of that size?
Mailman can easily handle a list of that size. If you are to have an
issue, it will be with your computer's resources (memory, disk space,
etc.) and/or Internet bandwidth.
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lston.
Leopard.
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VE mail for the domain.
They say nothing about which servers can SEND mail for the domain. While in
many cases, they are the same servers, there is no requirement that they be
so and many large ISPs split the functions.
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GNU Mailman . Please do not refer to a GNU
Mailman list as a "listserv" or use "listserv" as a generic term for mailing
lists or mailing list management software.
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system that is sending you
these messages. This list is for discussion by Mailman administrators of
how to use Mailman. It is not a support list specific to the server that
is sending you the messages nor do we have any access to that site.
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man source and building it
(requires Mac OS X Developer Tools), you will be modifying the
internal web server on your computer, and you will need to modify system
startup files (Mailman runs in the background). In short, you need to be a
reasonably skilled system administrator.
-- Larry Ston
Requested mail action not taken: mailbox unavailable (in reply to RCPT
TO command)) Jan 13 15:25:00 my-mailserver postfix/smtp[28262]:
B405E2D858F
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rvers, you should be able to look in
the postfix logs to see what's happening.
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Mailman
lient that recognizes the headers
and not all do.
Also, this list is about the Mailman software itself. We have no access to
the site running your list. You need to contact your site administrator
about making chnages to your site.
-- Larry Stone
l
ners (Paul, did you reboot or force a reload of the launchd plist
for mailman?). So we'd need to see log files as to what's happening. If
there's nothing in any logfile (including system.log), then I'd guess the
plist was never reloaded.
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a slightly different name to avoid a conflict), the modifications
to the Apache configuration file, and the modifications to the Postfix
configuration file for the aliases (all of which should be preserved by
any Apple upgrades).
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Pau
ell as notes on
my upgrade to Leopard.
The Tiger instructions can be found in the archives at:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg33402.html>. A
search will let you find the Panther instructions and Leopard notes if you
need those.
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On 11/26/09 12:12 AM, Larry Stone at lston...@stonejongleux.com wrote:
> Also, search the archives as I have posted detailed instructions on
> installing Mailman on Mac OS X. There is a version for Tiger (10.4) I posted
> on 7/17/05.
Now that I had time to do the search myself, the URL
alling Mailman on Mac OS X. There is a version for Tiger (10.4) I posted
on 7/17/05.
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with your ISP, you can run
Mailman on Max OS X. While Apple provides a modified version with OS X
Server, it is easy to install from source on OS X client and instructions to
do so can be found in the Archived.
I am currently running Mailman 2.1.12 on Leopard (on a PPC iMac not that
that will make an
"use the beta, it's the current
latest working version". With Mailman, wait for an official production
release as it will come when everything is ready.
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specified in the XML property
list. More information can be found in launch(3).
o Catch the SIGTERM signal.
I'll leave it to those better into the technical end of things to
interpret that relative to what mailmanctl does.
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On 6/26/09 6:22 AM, Matthias Schmidt at b...@admilon.net wrote:
> Am/On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:22:02 -0500 schrieb/wrote Larry Stone:
>
>> On 6/18/09 7:11 PM, Bryan Harrison at br...@bryanharrison.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've built and installed Mailman 2.12 from cur
t, I have a cron job
that runs hourly to check for the proper number of qrunners and send me
e-mail if any or all are missing.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Jeff Bernier wrote:
I have tested this by just making up names on-the-fly like nolist, or
xyzlist, and get this result every time.
Sounds like you have a catchall address pointing to the Mailman list
address.
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I have MMDSR running on Mac OS X but as I recall, I made a lot of changes to
it to both make it work and have it do what I wanted it to do. There were
definitely some syntax changes and, I think, some binary file location
differences to be to be accommodated.
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t off
the top of my head, possibilities are:
1) a misconfigured mail server that is rejecting mail with a permanent
error for what is a transient error
2) mail being bounced by a spam filter
3) Auto-replies from your mail program back to the sender
I'm sure there are others. How well they'
by friday.westnet.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7DF2jJX008532
> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:02:45 -0400 (EDT)
That's not a "Message ID", that's a queue ID. And yes, I do the same
thing.
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at I do -- file them automatically, in a folder that you
> never go look in.
Why even receive them at that point? They're little more than spam
themselves so maybe it's time to ban all mail from AOL as AOL will then be a
known spammer. :-(
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iously
is useful for other mailman problems as well) and manually starting it when
necessary.
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bout customers abusing it. But note also that the way I use Mailman for
these lists to my referees is very much outside the traditional mailing
list model. And by the way, I also do run a few "traditional" lists and
they are very much confirmed opt-in.
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[EMAIL PROTEC
is generating a separate
e-mail for each user which passes through Postfix as separate messages
with a unique ID in Postfix. Without personalization, Mailman could pass
as few as one message to the MTA and let the MTA split it into all the
destinations. With personalization, the message for e
need
"recipient_delimiter = +" in your main.cf so it knows about the plus signs
in the return paths.
When you then get the AOL TOS e-mail, you can figure out who the list
recipient was as while AOL redacts the AOL recipient, they don't touch the
Return-Path.
As you have obse
P_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes
> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
You also need
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
Once you do that, the personalization option will appear on the
appropriate admin page. You will probably need to restart httpd for it to
appear. I doubt restarting the qrunners will be needed.
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t from
the list admin password. Otherwise, it will be authenticated as the list
password, not the site password, and you'll need to log into the other
lists.
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ilman list with
VERP so they receive them with them as the To: recipient. That also lets me
know who to remove when they decide that the easiest way to let me know that
they're no longer interested in being notified of available games is to do a
"report as spam". :-(
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[EM
rs Mailman determines it to be the
list password and never gets to the site password test and there never sets
the site admin cookie.
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) even though the list message(s) were big enough to put him over quota
(e.g. member has 10,000 bytes available; 100,000 byte list message is
rejected but 1,000 byte "you are disabled" message is accepted).
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e "too many recipients" error and not bounced. If
that's true, I hope you realize that changing the setting in Mailman only
affects messages given to sendmail after you made the change. Anything
already in sendmail's outgoing queue from before you made the change is not
affect
t;level 2" or "level 3"
support.
I also had no problem having them change the reverse DNS on my address to my
domain name, something that makes spam detection software happier.
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alization. That will force mailman to generate a
separate message for each recipient and Yahoo will see several messages each
addresses to one recipient rather than one message addressed to multiple
recipients.
Unfortunately, when a recipient chooses to use a free e-mail service, they
get
match is annoying. I
even found one I couldn't get right after half a dozen tries. I gave up.
Their loss.
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hat I can find it.
...
> I have bounce processing turned on. The bounce_score_threshold is set
> for 5.0.
With bounce processing turned on, you don't get notified until the bounce
threshold is exceeded. Until then, the bounces get logged in the Mailman
bounce log but that's it. So all of them have
rs but as it's going to myself, I don't
care. You could, of course, do something else there to provide
notification.
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etmaster's which I actually didn't think was possible. :-(
In their attempt to make it unreadable by machines, they've succeeded in
making it unreadable by humans.
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(Leopard).
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Searchable
;s /etc/postfix/main.cf). Unfortunately,
since this is OS X Server, that may not be correct for you (but
/etc/postfix is where the postfix stuff is by default on OS X client so
I'd guess it's there for OS X Server as well).
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Larry Stone wrote:
> 5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard,
> not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that "Stray process" message
> means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search.
>
> Oct 2
PID 83 PPID 1 Python
Nothing appears in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the "Starting
Mailman's ..." message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching
but then dying with that "Stray process" error.
The Leopard provided version of
happy to chug along in the background.
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Searchable
a problem. They tell me that
> phplist doesn't have the problems mailman does.
Other reasons? Misconfiguration by them; resource limits they've applied.
Who knows other than them.
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On 7/14/07 8:26 PM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 7/14/07, Larry Stone wrote:
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>> # [EMAIL PROTECTED] banned for AOL TOS notice - 10/20/05
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 554 You have previously reported requested
>> mail from here as SPAM - you are
comes to it, then I just make it clear
that I don't accept AOL users as subscribers. If they want to subscribe,
they will have to do so from a "real" ISP.
> Messageid still works, for whatever reason it's the one piece of
> header info that isn't redacted at this p
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