[Mailman-Users] Re: Somewhat off-topic: Postmaster and other administrative addresses, are they necessary?

2025-07-11 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ople will stop using / supporting them. Do what you think you need to do. But please think about it at least one more time before you stop supporting these addresses. -- Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To

[Mailman-Users] Re: Need help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure

2024-04-20 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ion isn't / aren't having problems. I'll do some testing therefrom. Are there any log entries, or debugging, that could be enabled / turned up to help diagnose this? -- Grant. . . . smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -

[Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure

2024-04-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
x27;m not seeing any obvious problems in the logs that I can read. I may have to relay diagnostic requests to the admins if I don't have permission. -- Grant. . . . smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-User

[Mailman-Users] Re: Question regarding message-ids

2023-09-13 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
en messing with the Message-ID? Conditionally messing with the Message-ID is an entirely different problem. This will probably be an interesting thread to read. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.or

[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...

2023-07-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
th modern practices about dependencies; "computer science" has gone backwards, at least in strategy! ... But I digress... I'm inclined to agree with you. But that's just my opinion. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing li

[Mailman-Users] Re: Line breaks in monthly reminder emails

2022-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 12/2/22 5:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: There is a -l/--listname option to limit to a list or, if repeated, lists, but no option to limit to a single user. Sounds like a reason to (temporarily) create a new list with yourself as the only subscriber and test things. -- Grant. . . . unix

[Mailman-Users] Re: Line breaks in monthly reminder emails

2022-12-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
whatever the window width is. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https

[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received

2022-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
problem you were asking about. That seems like a good thing to me. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received

2022-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ich didn't involve your instance of Mailman, I sort of suspect you have lower level / SMTP problems. I think that your MTA's logs will be a very good place to start looking. At least to see if there is evidence of problems or not. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s

[Mailman-Users] Re: Plus addressing

2022-03-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
addresses. What is the lesser evil to you / your users? -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email

[Mailman-Users] Re: Email different content in an unique list

2021-12-09 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
with great success for years. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python

[Mailman-Users] Re: Viewing bounces from Mailman-generated messages?

2021-10-12 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
(SMTP response). My understanding is that Sendmail only logs the first line of the SMTP reply. So if there are details in subsequent lines of a multi-line SMTP reply, you'll need the patch. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cry

[Mailman-Users] Re: Gmail and DKIM problems

2021-06-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
the mailing list as highly suspicious. To avoid this suspicion: 1) Send with your own SMTP envelope address (VERP). 2) Use full personalization. 3) Remove incoming DKIM signatures. 4) Add your own outgoing DKIM signature. I'd suggest updating your config sooner than later. -- Gr

[Mailman-Users] Re: Okay, you can call me an idiot now

2021-05-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
y this can be corrected. That makes perfect sense. Aside: Don't you just love how you have to identify other people's problems so that you can convince them that you don't have a problem? Thanks, You're w

[Mailman-Users] Re: MM2/Sendmail failing to send messages to upper case Email addresses?

2021-05-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
hance that /Sendmail/ is the reason the message is being lost. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to m

[Mailman-Users] Re: Does mailman work well for large lists?

2021-02-27 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ield deployment. I don't have any experience with Mailman 3.x. Though I have heard that 3.x has different requirements than 2.x, some of them non-trivial. Windows or Linux server recommended? My vote is for Linux (or another Unix varient). Thank you. You're welcome. -- Gr

[Mailman-Users] Re: OpenPGP and S/MIME aware Mailman

2021-02-14 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
going messages. You can probably have something decrypt the messages between the MTA and Mailman. Something like this would allow you to use a stock Mailman. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Sign

[Mailman-Users] Re: OpenPGP and S/MIME aware Mailman

2021-02-12 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 2/12/21 3:01 AM, Mailman-admin wrote: And you need to distribute their public keys to your users. Fortunately, S/MIME makes this simple. All you need to do is sign the message. Recipients can extract the public key from the signature. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s

[Mailman-Users] Re: Addressing of list messages by the server

2021-02-10 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
re welcome. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lis

[Mailman-Users] Re: Topic hack to streamline use of topics.

2020-10-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 10/15/20 4:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Actually, as I note in another post, the header is Keywords:, not Topics:. That was my error. *nod*nod* I was following your lead. Simple mistakes happen. It's how we correct them that matters. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die smim

[Mailman-Users] Topic hack to streamline use of topics.

2020-10-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
gely worked out very well for the lists that I've applied it to. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an

[Mailman-Users] Re: Help with Topics

2020-10-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
the first line of the message body being abused and treated like a header? -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send a

[Mailman-Users] Re: Alternate URL hostname in web UI

2020-07-27 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
used in the web UI, it wouldn't change anything about the actual mail handling under the hood? I can't speak directly to the DEFAULT_URL_HOST. Does the load balancer support rewriting things as traffic passes through it? I know it's possible to get Apache to do this.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Best way to slow down all the spam to my lists?

2019-12-14 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
twork (frequently configured a a /24) for the sending IP. This significantly helps with different servers in the same server farm trying to resend messages. Another option that doesn't have this (state based) limitation is nolisting. (TCP RST from first MX and subsequent MX(s) accept email.)

Re: [Mailman-Users] LDAP routing

2019-11-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
list addresses. This probably means that you're going to need LDAP entries. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding list user in redacted FBL reports

2019-08-06 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ately, there are quite a few comcast.net users on this list, making this really difficult to find the offender. Oy vey! Do any of you have any ideas for me to identify this serial 'mark-as-spammer'? Are you using VERP? I would think that the VERP data would survive Comcast's re

Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size

2019-06-05 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 6/5/19 3:59 PM, Robert Heller wrote: I wonder if this is *mailman* or your MTA that is complaining... It might also be a webserver thing trying to react to the pending moderators request / hold screen (page). -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum attachment size

2019-06-05 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
w the message to pass normally. I don't know what to think about the pending moderator requests / hold page's behavior. I'll defer to other more knowledgeable people on the mailing list. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smi

Re: [Mailman-Users] question about email automation

2019-06-02 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
get the job done. i've looked at ifttt and zapier but wasn't sure. thanks. I'm not familiar with them. Sorry. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailin

Re: [Mailman-Users] Training Mailman to find email address from NDR

2019-05-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
a failed attempt at an RFC 3464 Delivery Status Notification. RFC 3464 has been out for 17 years. I think it's past time that we stop coddling people that can't conform to it. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Training Mailman to find email address from NDR

2019-05-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
re original message instead of just the headers. IMHO that's a good way for a bounced message's content to get trapped by a spam filter. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Prevent users from changing email address

2019-04-23 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
and resubscribing with the new address? -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam / Email Spoofing Problem (SPF check possible?)

2019-04-05 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
would suggest that you also look into DKIM and particularly DMARC filtering. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] FetchMail feed into Mailman

2019-03-26 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
I really seen it as a need. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http:/

Re: [Mailman-Users] FetchMail feed into Mailman

2019-03-26 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
nnections. Sure, FetchMail can pull email from the ISP and inject it into the local server. But what advantage does that gain you? Is said advantage worth the complexity? Especially if the ISP aliases testlist & testlist-* into one mailbox. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Descri

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on google comput engine

2019-03-25 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
s the LMTP still STDIN / STDOUT or something else (possibly a Unix socket)? I'm trying to understand if I could drive Mailman 3 via Expect. Not that I would. I'm just wondering if I could. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cry

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on google comput engine

2019-03-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
cal MTA all together. Pipe fetcmail's STDOUT to a wrapper script to extract the command and mailing list before piping it into the mailman executable with said command and mailing list. Then have Mailman act as an SMTP client directly to an external MTA. No local MTA period. --

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on google comput engine

2019-03-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
. 209 hits on the link that Mark shared. The 45 messages mentioning UUCP surprises me more. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on google comput engine

2019-03-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ut I think it should work. This might work for the OP. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on google comput engine

2019-03-21 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
fetch email from elsewhere and feed it into Mailman, but that's something specialized.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.

Re: [Mailman-Users] email to sms?

2019-02-27 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
l address that are subsequently gatewayed, so be it. If you really want to look into something to send SMS (or MMS) messages in bulk, I'd look at something in parallel with Mailman. Let Mailman do what it's good at, email, and use something else for SMS (MMS). -- Grant. . . . uni

Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscription based on e-mail subject

2019-02-02 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
is would be best implemented if the poster added a blob of text to their subject and configured their client side MUA filters to mark messages from the mailing list that don't have said blob in the subject as read. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptograp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic subscription based on e-mail subject

2019-02-01 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
to say that Mailman's "Topic" concept is different than concept that you and I have for "topic" / "subject" / "thread". -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting from addresses with modifiers?

2019-01-14 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
..@domain.tld. I guess maybe some sort of ticketing system /might/ do something like that. But I bet that the intersection between such configurations and Mailman configured as Mark is describing to be quite small. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s D

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler same as postfix-to-mailman.py

2019-01-07 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
lly like to do as much as possible during the SMTP transaction. So if there is a reasonable way to apply some Mailman filtering logic to applicable messages, why not do it? In our -- admittedly very lightly loaded -- domains, it's RBL and fail2ban that seem to provide best bang for

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler same as postfix-to-mailman.py

2019-01-06 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
P and / or SMTP interface to Mailman would be nice. I think that provides more features at the SMTP / DSN (maybe MDN) level than STDIN into Mailman can provide. Nice work Jim. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --

Re: [Mailman-Users] UTF-8 and digests...

2018-11-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
makes it difficult to find messages in mailboxes with tools like grep. Thank you for the clarification Mark. That accounts for what I'm seeing. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-

[Mailman-Users] UTF-8 and digests...

2018-11-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
Is it expected that Mailman will preserve UTF-8 (punctuation symbols) in non-MIME digests? I'm having errors reported to me from (non-MIME) digest subscribers to lists mailing lists. Is this a known limitation of non-MIME digests? Or is it possibly a symptom of a problem? --

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler or aliases to integrate with sendmail

2018-11-29 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
way I would have chosen. That purportedly works. But I have always felt that the separate (sub)domain was cleaner from an MTA / email routing perspective. Particularly if you try to have user mailboxes (one domain) on an Exchange server and mailing lists (a different domain) on another server.

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler v3

2018-11-28 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
main(s) that Mailman uses into Mailman via mm-handler. - I don't have any extra steps or intermediary Local Delivery Agents. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] OT - Smart .forward replacement?

2018-11-25 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
don't originate from the system. Thus a .forward is not guaranteed to fail SPF validation. In fact, I would expect SPF validation to succeed on servers that are configured with SRS. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Sign

Re: [Mailman-Users] OT - Smart .forward replacement?

2018-11-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
likely be fraught with failure. Thanks for any help, You're welcome. Good luck. P.S. Feel free to email me directly / off list if you want help with Procmail. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -

Re: [Mailman-Users] GPG Sig parse error

2018-11-01 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 11/01/2018 01:49 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: Apologies Grant it this is too much discussion of you :-) I'm only trying to get to the root of the issue. No problem. I'm using S/MIME, not PGP (GPG). Let's see if this makes it through happier. -- Grant. .

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler support

2018-11-01 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
from STDIN and writes to STDOUT. Which I think is not directly compatible with milters. But, it would serve as a starting place for a milter. Sadly I don't think that will work as is for me. I'm running Sendmail and would need a milter. -- Gra

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler starting version

2018-11-01 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
d to forward the bounce, as an unmodified attachment, to the list owner, postmaster, or some other configured address. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler support

2018-10-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
age. Let me know if you'd like me to port these changes to mm-handler-2.1.10. I may do this anyway to be running a newer mm-handler*. Aside: I've often contemplated a milter that could hook into the Python pickles to optionally reject messages at SMTP time if a non-subscriber tries

Re: [Mailman-Users] mm-handler support

2018-10-25 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
In hindsight I'd like to also add the Auto-Submitted: auto-generated header to the DSN. And make sure it uses the Null Reverse Path. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.pytho

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-26 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
m: header has the original sender's email address. [1] If the From: header reflects the mailing list, there is no DMARC conflict with the original sender's domain. [1] I think it may be possible to move the email address into the human friendly portion of the address and replace the ac

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC

2018-07-25 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
gService in place of ClamAV. N.B. By "intended," I mean to admit that my wording in the previous post strongly suggested that they would start with the assumption that mail is benign until proven otherwise. I can't fault you for taking my words literally. :-) Thank you

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
rtion of the From: header comes into play. I.e. From: Grant Taylor Becomes: From: Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users This can show up in the index of a mailbox. Or the two lines that I'm suggesting prefixing the body with. Grant Taylor wrote the following: Granted, that do

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
shed DMARC records. I.e. From: Grant Taylor Becomes: From: Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users Thus removing any conflict with any DMARC records published by tnetconsulting.net Since the message is now from the Mailman-Users mailing list, it's perfectly possible to insert a line at t

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ity is that some types of email can reasonably use some techniques that are just not appropriate for others due to the type and use of that email. I disagree. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.o

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
unging the From: like is suggested for DMARC. That being said, I did want to direct replies back to the discussion list. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
manner? I suspect "imposed on innocent bystanders" and "not their problem" can also be used to describe requiring reverse DNS, SPF, and DKIM. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
il aren't eligible to the same level of protection as other services (non-humans) because we as email administrators can't figure out how to make things work in a way that supports both. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
headers. I mainly say this because there is nothing that prevents malicious actors from inserting (possibly bogus) List-* headers. (Or lots of tiny lists of single recipients.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
r I think it was past the critical mass long before AOL and Yahoo fueled the fire. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
C headers. I'm questioning why domains that do use ARC headers that don't run mailing lists should not be white listed. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
a gun, I believe that the dog is doing exactly what they are trained to do when an armed police officer walks up. The dog is doing exactly what they were trained to do. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
projects? Aside: What does hosting mailing lists or not have to do with believing their ARC assertions? - I would hope that the ARC white lists state that these senders are probably trust worthy, independent of mailing lists or not. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-20 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
each other. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Arch

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
establish this trust relationship, save for traditional Business-to-Business methods. At least I'm not aware of anything more automatic. Thus I question how useful ARC will be for small operators. :-/ -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-U

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/19/2018 06:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: If Mailman is asked to remove or replace DKIM headers, the headers affected are DomainKey-Signature, DKIM-Signature and Authentication-Results. Good to know. Thank you for clarifying Mark. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
headers in a message coming from a mailing list. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: h

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
from messages going into Mailman. 3) ...Mailman w/ DMARC friendly settings... 4) Apply new DKIM signatures as messages leave the mail server. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ly extract or parse /without/ false positives. It can also be difficult to correlate information across headers and determine what should and should not be allowed. Let's not forget that it's equally easy to spoof Received: headers as it is to spoof other headers. }:-) -- Gran

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
t to spoof SMTP envelope details and bypass SMTP level detections. This does assume that the sending domain does publish the required info and that receiving mail servers actually filter based on that. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions

2018-06-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 06/03/2018 04:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Ban list regexps are case insensitive. Thank you for the clarification Mark. The fact that the ones I saw never had periods following the plus sign. ACK -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman

Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions

2018-06-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ssing? -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives:

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
using routing with reverse path filtering. I've found all of the above to be quite effective. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users M

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
an 3, but in the meantime I have minimal issues with attacks on my mailman GUI. Maybe not the perfect solution for everyone, but it is effective. If it does what you need it to and you feel comfortable maintaining it, then more power to you. -- Grant. . . . unix || die --

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
tication can be used to protect the Mailman Web UI. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Securi

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
with "industry standard" or "what everybody else does". -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
n order to access the GUI.  This is easy if your users already access your site over a VPN. I can see a VPN for corporate users. I think it's a high bar for most public mailing lists. Maybe not for the (few) administrator(s). I feel like port knocking is a REALLY HIGH BAR for most pu

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 05/31/2018 12:25 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: IMHO the web server has a LOT more experience at user access control than most web applications. As such, I feel like the web server probably has a better handle on how to do it. Apache (and I suspect Nginx) has the ability to use client side TLS

Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I run 2.x mailman more securely?

2018-05-31 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ce. IMHO the web server has a LOT more experience at user access control than most web applications. As such, I feel like the web server probably has a better handle on how to do it. As for the default ugly username & password dialog box, there are ways around that. -- Grant. . .

Re: [Mailman-Users] GDPR

2018-05-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ith the scams currently being promoted that ban subscriptions or even commercial transactions simply because the IP address is allocated to Europe. Agreed. I think multiple court cases here in the US have shown that an IP address is not PII. It's a contributing piece of information

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
hat the infinite wisdom of politicians will say that the entire paper needs to be shredded. I think it also significantly depends on what needs to be redacted. Removing "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" is a LOT different than removing "Grant Taylor" from the Mailman-Users arch

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-17 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
d mailinglist archive in HTML actually subject to the GDPR? It's not that is really structured and/or organized like e.g. some SQL- database. I think that any data collection / aggregation is likely going to be subject to GDPR, for bet

Re: [Mailman-Users] GDPR

2018-05-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
, thus breaking existing links to messages? Or at least disassociating them such that they link to the wrong message? -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
t know what to say there. I feel like that's between her and the event owner / organizer. Just an example of the type of stuff that I may get asked to remove in future. IMHO that is not unexpected, if not somewhat typical. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ---

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-15 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
ation framework. As such, I exercise and use it to (what I think is) my advantage. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-14 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
m. Or should the company have retained just enough information to know that they should not contact the person again? I.e. a black list. (* Don't talk to me about proving the negative. Assume a 3rd party oversight of some sort.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-14 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
e a copy of the message that it sent yesterday. I'd assume that it would be something like <$list>-fbl@<$list_domain> to avoid recursive loops. That would allow the MLM to self monitor and escalate if there's a pr

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-14 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
I'm sorry if I am. I'm simply bringing up things that I think are potential concerns that the powers that be probably need to consider, and have a pat response to. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-12 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
our way to snub our faces at GDPR. I think most uses of blockchain are bogus and I'm ready for the buzz word to go away. I mentioned it because GDPR and blockchain are sort of antipodes when it comes to the right to be forgotten. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ---

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

2018-05-12 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
impact on archives. God forbid if blockchain was used on the archive. }:-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.

Re: [Mailman-Users] 'from' header at delivered email from inside / outside organization

2018-04-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
I don't know if mailman can help with this or not. Especially if it's supposed to conditionally happen based on the sender and the recipient. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https

Re: [Mailman-Users] (relatively) new DMARC issues - and Gmail

2018-04-02 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
warded. Plus this I would expect this to help differentiate email reputation for fmp.com from the (sub)domain used for forwarding. (I don't know if a sub-domain would suffice or if it should be a different parallel / sibling domain, fmp-forwarding.com.) -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo rejects

2018-03-19 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 03/16/2018 07:54 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: Has there been any noise about Yahoo on mailop about this new behavior? I just read a handful of messages on mailop where multiple people are reporting this issue. One of the last messages indicated that the problem might be

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