Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-11 Thread Bill Warner
At 08:20 AM 5/11/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >But e-mail interacts with other email systems all over the internet. When >you hose a mailman system, it affects the mail systems of all of the >subscribers, which potentially hoses them AND the admins of THEIR mail >servers. But, with the exclu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-11 Thread Bill Warner
At 07:43 AM 5/11/01 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: >How far does that go? Should you be allowed to turn off the "To:" header >if you want? "Subject:"? "Date:"? Oh, please. Lets not get snide about this. We are talking about a very specific set of headers and you know it. We are talking a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-11 Thread Bill Warner
At 05:32 PM 5/10/01 -0700, Dan Mick wrote: >So you have no problem. So why are you complaining about them? >You can't have it both ways. No. I said that adoption was underway. I didn't say it was complete. Besides, there are other reasons to make the 2369 headers optional in addition to t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-10 Thread Bill Warner
At 03:13 PM 5/9/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >On 5/9/01 1:33 PM, "Bill Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OTOH, a strident "hack it or take a hike" anti-configuration stance (some > > of the messages in the archive are downright hostile) act

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-09 Thread Bill Warner
At 01:29 PM 5/9/01 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >On the larger question of the List-* headers, there's no doubt that >the situation will not change for the 2.0.x maintenance branch. If >you want to get rid of the headers, hack the source. Fair enough. >But, Mailman could do a better job of con

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-09 Thread Bill Warner
At 12:15 AM 5/9/01 -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: >There is a critical difference. X does allow you and even makes it >very easy to do damned near anything you want, encluding being >incredibly stupid and making bad decisions. In a general light, >this is not a Bad Thing. One critical aspect howeve

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-09 Thread Bill Warner
At 11:32 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >I disagree. Policy decisions should be made by people who can make them in >an informed way, not out of ignorance. X windows lets its users do REALLY >STUPID AND DESTRUCTIVE things, simply because they want to. "because they >want to" isn't a good

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Bill Warner
So, I lied about my previous post being my last, but on reflection perhaps some final comments are in order, or perhaps I just can't help myself... At 04:54 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >This issue comes up again and again, and I apologize in advance if I sound >(or sounded) grumpy a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Bill Warner
At 01:33 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: >Someone posted a hack to remove the headers a while ago. Search the list >if you're interested. OK, I found a reference to this in the archive, and located the spot to hack the code. On my first look I didn't grep deep enough into the distribution.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Bill Warner
At 12:47 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >You should have made those comments to the standards committee. The RFC is >the RFC. What RFC? If you have a cite for an RFC which says that Mailman must add 10 lines worth of headers to every message it sends I'd be delighted to read it. >(h

Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Bill Warner
At 12:42 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: >ref. Eudora .ini Settings TabooHeaders Hello Mike, Yes, I know about the TabooHeaders settings for Eudora, but most of my list readers don't, and they are probably using some M$ junk to read mail anyway, and they don't care about things like TabooHe

[Mailman-Users] Re: remove this?

2001-05-08 Thread Bill Warner
At 12:01 PM 5/8/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > How should I remove these (excessive headers) on each post? makes my > message long. > >You would be generally ill advised to remove any of them. Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least, be configurable.