Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users writes: > I'm questioning why domains that do use ARC headers that don't run > mailing lists should not be white listed. You're misunderstanding. The ARC community doesn't discourage whitelisting other sites. The work to do whitelisting does. Mailing lists are

Re: [Mailman-Users] enabling reCAPTCHA for older lists

2018-07-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 2018-07-22 at 16:36 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 07/22/2018 12:49 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > What could be set for an older list that would break reCAPTCHAs? > > > A list specific listinfo template. > > At rev 12

Re: [Mailman-Users] enabling reCAPTCHA for older lists

2018-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 07/22/2018 12:49 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > > What could be set for an older list that would break reCAPTCHAs? A list specific listinfo template. At rev 1218 (in 2.1.24), I changed the default listinfo templates. See

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Richard Damon
> On Jul 22, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users > wrote: > >> On 07/22/2018 02:03 PM, John Levine wrote: >> No, it was specified in full knowledge that it would break pretty much every >> mailing list on the planet if used on domains with human users, instead of >> its intended

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >On 07/22/2018 02:03 PM, John Levine wrote: >> No, it was specified in full knowledge that it would break pretty much >> every mailing list on the planet if used on domains with human users, >> instead of its intended target of notices from robo

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/22/2018 02:03 PM, John Levine wrote: No, it was specified in full knowledge that it would break pretty much every mailing list on the planet if used on domains with human users, instead of its intended target of notices from robot domains like paypal.com. I choose to believe the mailing

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/22/2018 02:05 PM, John Levine wrote: Every domain added to a whitelist like this involves manual work. Yes. Why would you waste time on domains that aren't likely to send mail with ARC headers? I'm not suggesting wasting time on domains that wouldn't send ARC headers. I'm questioning

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread John Levine
In article <1fb88a39-0acd-f34f-c504-9eb217a75...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> you write: >Is there some place that I can find out more about these people and / or >their projects? See the archives of the ARC mailing lists. >Aside: What does hosting mailing lists or not have to do with believin

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread John Levine
In article <0590fe51-3f96-754d-d155-af0eb9ca4...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >On 07/19/2018 04:59 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> Actually, mailing lists and other redistribution are among the places >> DMARC notably breaks. > >Does DMARC actually break or ot

[Mailman-Users] enabling reCAPTCHA for older lists

2018-07-22 Thread Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, I've crossed over into reCAPTCHA hell (voluntarily!) currently looking for a savior. I have followed all the instructions in Defaults.py, and I have created the google account and setup the site-key and secret-key in mm_cfg.py, and resta

Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/19/2018 04:59 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: Actually, mailing lists and other redistribution are among the places DMARC notably breaks. Does DMARC actually break or otherwise behave in a manner contrary to it's specification? I personally believe that DMARC (and SPF and DKIM) are doing ex

Re: [Mailman-Users] ARC, was non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"

2018-07-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 07/21/2018 02:24 PM, John Levine wrote: I know people working on whiteish lists to use with ARC, to say that these domain are known to host real mailing lists so you should believe their ARC assertions. Is there some place that I can find out more about these people and / or their projects