Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman brokenly base64-encoding all messages

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 04:32 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:22:08AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Sorry, I forgot. Debian's package ignores any charset argument you put >> in add_language. >> >> You need to put >> >> LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = ('English (USA)', 'us-ascii', 'ltr') >> >> in m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable bounce subscription disabling for just certain users?

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 03:30 PM, Jayson Smith wrote: > > Is there any way to disable the automatic disabling of just specific > member addresses? If I could find a way to do it, would setting their > bounce score to something like negative 1,000,000,000 do the trick, or > would Mailman just consider that t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 30, 2017, at 08:11 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: >Interesting. I know there's a pretty clear division between components in 3; >can the web interface run on a separate machine and point to a remote >instance of Mailman? Yep! It's somewhat important to keep in mind that the REST API of Core is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Dave McGuire
On 03/30/2017 08:08 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm afraid Node.js is still a requirement. Of the web interface of course. Technically those are optional components, but practically speaking if you want to control Mailman 3 via the web, that's the only option. Interesting. I know there's a pr

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 30, 2017, at 04:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >I'm afraid Node.js is still a requirement. Of the web interface of course. Technically those are optional components, but practically speaking if you want to control Mailman 3 via the web, that's the only option. -Barry -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Dave McGuire
On 03/30/2017 07:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Thinking about it some more, yes I believe it was Node.js. Apparently Node.js isn't quite portable enough to run on SPARC. I'm afraid Node.js is still a requirement. Ok. No Mailman 3 for us. :-( Thanks for your response. -Dave --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Dave McGuire
On 03/30/2017 07:13 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux? The last time I looked at it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only. (My company's Solaris-based mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.) Unless v3 is different from v2 in this regard, mailman doe

[Mailman-Users] Any way to disable bounce subscription disabling for just certain users?

2017-03-30 Thread Jayson Smith
Hi, I have a weird situation I'm sure others have had, and I'm wondering if there's any way in Mailman 2 to deal with it. I have three subscribers to one of my lists who are on ISP's who do spam filtering at the SMTP level, rejecting with a 554 any message they don't like. And as so often ha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman brokenly base64-encoding all messages

2017-03-30 Thread Jon Ribbens
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:22:08AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Sorry, I forgot. Debian's package ignores any charset argument you put > in add_language. > > You need to put > > LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = ('English (USA)', 'us-ascii', 'ltr') > > in mm_cfg.py. I think that will work. Awesome, that d

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 3/30/2017 9:55 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux? The last time I looked at it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only. (My company's Solaris-based mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.) Unless v3 is different from v2 in this regard, mailman doesn

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 03:08 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Thinking about it some more, yes I believe it was Node.js. Apparently > Node.js isn't quite portable enough to run on SPARC. I'm afraid Node.js is still a requirement. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Dave McGuire
On 03/30/2017 05:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux? The last time I looked at it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only. (My company's Solaris-based mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.) It should run on any *nix that supports Python 2, Python 3

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 09:55 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Does 3 yet run on anything other than Linux? The last time I looked > at it, it looked to be pretty much Linux-only. (My company's > Solaris-based mail servers aren't going away anytime soon.) It should run on any *nix that supports Python 2, P

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Dave McGuire
On 03/30/2017 12:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: However: What is the state of Mailman 2 at the moment? I think it is still supported and developed. But will this change in the near or in the distant future? Mailman 2 is definitely end of life. I am the only one actively supporting it at this point a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman brokenly base64-encoding all messages

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 08:58 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 08:35:54AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> To change the former, you can put >> >> add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'us-ascii') >> >> in mm_cfg.py. > > I've done this (in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py) and then done > systemctl resta

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 08:44 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: > > However: What is the state of Mailman 2 at the moment? I think it is > still supported and developed. But will this change in the near or in > the distant future? Mailman 2 is definitely end of life. I am the only one activel

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman brokenly base64-encoding all messages

2017-03-30 Thread Jon Ribbens
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 08:35:54AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I believe that RFC 2045 s6.8 refers back to canonical form as discussed > in sections 6.5 and 6.6 and RFC 2049 sec 4. While it is arguable that > this requires all plain text to use CRLF line delimiters regardless of > encoding, I think

[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3

2017-03-30 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users
Hi all Every now and then, "Mailman 3" is mentioned on this list. As I understand it, MM 3 is completely different from the current MM 2 we all are using, and as Mark Sapiro wrote earlier today, questions regarding MM3 belong somewhere else. And I think I'll be using MM 2 as long as MM 2 is offere

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 The Definitive Mailman Suite - Download error

2017-03-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: >Both in the Mailman Suite Setup Guide section "Set up and run Mailman Core" >the code is supposed to be downloaded using the command "git clone >g...@gitlab.com:mailman/mailman.git", but I get a Permission Denied I'll fix that to use the http

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman brokenly base64-encoding all messages

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 02:02 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > I'm using Mailman 2.1.22 packaged by Ubuntu 16.10. > > It appears that on one (but I think not all) of my mailing lists, > Mailman is base64-encoding every single message. Yes, including > ones that 100% definitely contain only ASCII characters. Does an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 The Definitive Mailman Suite - Download error

2017-03-30 Thread Jon Ribbens
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:29:01AM +, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > Both in the Mailman Suite Setup Guide section "Set up and run > Mailman Core" > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-mailman-core > , and the Mailman Core doc at > http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/release

[Mailman-Users] Mailman brokenly base64-encoding all messages

2017-03-30 Thread Jon Ribbens
I'm using Mailman 2.1.22 packaged by Ubuntu 16.10. It appears that on one (but I think not all) of my mailing lists, Mailman is base64-encoding every single message. Yes, including ones that 100% definitely contain only ASCII characters. Does anyone know why Mailman would be doing this? You might

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 The Definitive Mailman Suite - Download error

2017-03-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/30/2017 04:29 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > Is this list the correct place for Mailman 3 questions? No. Better places are mailman-us...@mailman3.org and mailman-develop...@python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface stopped working after ubuntu update

2017-03-30 Thread Richard Shetron
I had this problem during a ubuntu update. IIRC: I discovered that the update changed the user/group id's of mailman from mailman:www-data to list:list (or something like that) as it did a mailman update that messed up the id's. It has been too long to remember the exact details. The defaul

[Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 The Definitive Mailman Suite - Download error

2017-03-30 Thread Henrik Rasmussen
Is this list the correct place for Mailman 3 questions? I was in the progress of installing the Mailman3-bundler as it got obsolete. As a consequence the old Mailman-bundler documentation was changed to refer to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html "The Definitive Mailman Suite Deve