Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/13/2015 04:42 AM, Hal wrote: > > Are you saying that even though I turn "automatic removal" off I will > still have postings from certain list members NOT reaching the list (but > bouncing with an error message back to me, the list owner -possibly also > with an error alert to the poster as

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/13/2015 08:11 AM, Hal wrote: > > I assumed I would get an error message (email) for every time a posting > didn't reach the list but the latest "bounce action notification" I have > is from 5 months back, so apparently not. Maybe I've messed with some > settings in the Mailman web control pa

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/13/2015 10:35 AM, Larry Kuenning wrote: > > And Hal's report suggests that this is now happening not only with AOL > and Yahoo (which started this practice in April 2014) but with messages > originating on Hotmail as well. No. Hal's report only said that most of the unsubscribed user's wer

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/13/2015 09:49 AM, Larry Kuenning wrote: > On 12/13/2015 5:14 AM, Hal wrote: > >> Seeing that 17 out of those 18 unsubscribed messages were sent from >> Hotmail I can only assume the above was what happened. [etc] > > This sounds as if Hotmail has joined the villainous club formerly > compos

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/13/2015 02:14 AM, Hal wrote: > > Sure. Here are my bounce settings (I believe they're the default ones > though as I try not to touch stuff I don't fully understand): > > bounce processing: YES > bounce score threshold: 5.0 > bounce info state after: 7 > bounce you are disabled warn

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Larry Kuenning
On 12/13/2015 12:01 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: Have I more or less understood it correctly? No. Let us say you have 5 users on your list, us...@aol.com, us...@aol.com, us...@aol.com us...@aol.com and us...@aol.com. us...@aol.com posts a piece of mail to your list. mailman tries to deliver to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Larry Kuenning
On 12/13/2015 5:14 AM, Hal wrote: Seeing that 17 out of those 18 unsubscribed messages were sent from Hotmail I can only assume the above was what happened. [etc] This sounds as if Hotmail has joined the villainous club formerly composed only of Yahoo and AOL, publishing a DMARC policy of "p=

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Keith Seyffarth
>> What is more likely is that a member of your list, >> posts something to the list. Then mailman tries to deliver the mail >> to all the subscribers. When it calls up some_site asking to deliver >> mail to subscribers who have subscribed from accounts on some_site, >> some_site says something

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:11:03 +0100, Hal writes: >On 13/12/2015 15:53, Laura Creighton wrote: > > >> What is more likely is that a member of your list, >> posts something to the list. Then mailman tries to deliver the mail >> to all the subscribers. When it calls up some_site asking t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Hal
On 13/12/2015 15:53, Laura Creighton wrote: What is more likely is that a member of your list, posts something to the list. Then mailman tries to deliver the mail to all the subscribers. When it calls up some_site asking to deliver mail to subscribers who have subscribed from accounts on some

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 13 Dec 2015 13:42:47 +0100, Hal writes: >On 13/12/2015 13:05, Jayson Smith wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Unfortunately, disabling automatic removal from the list will only fix >> one effect of the problem, not the problem itself. There's something >> going on which is causing mail to tho

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Jayson Smith
Hi, The problem isn't with Mailman receiving unwanted messages. The problem is that Mailman is trying to deliver outbound messages, and is having problems, messages are being returned as undeliverable. Everything in Mailman is working properly up to the point where messages are being bounced.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Jayson Smith
Hi, Unfortunately, disabling automatic removal from the list will only fix one effect of the problem, not the problem itself. There's something going on which is causing mail to those addresses to bounce. If you are receiving messages with the subject of "Bounce action notification" these wil

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Hal
On 13/12/2015 13:05, Jayson Smith wrote: Hi, Unfortunately, disabling automatic removal from the list will only fix one effect of the problem, not the problem itself. There's something going on which is causing mail to those addresses to bounce. If you are receiving messages with the subject of

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Hal
On 13/12/2015 11:14, Hal wrote: On 12/12/2015 23:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 12/12/2015 01:46 PM, Hal wrote: Today I received 18 unsubscribe notification mesages, each one telling me that "n...@addr.ess has been removed from my_list_name". If they were sent at 09:00 server time (that's the def

Re: [Mailman-Users] Many users unsubscribed at once (not by me)

2015-12-13 Thread Hal
On 12/12/2015 23:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 12/12/2015 01:46 PM, Hal wrote: Today I received 18 unsubscribe notification mesages, each one telling me that "n...@addr.ess has been removed from my_list_name". If they were sent at 09:00 server time (that's the default, but it could be different)