Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Al Black writes: > I spent a few hours yesterday thinking about a "cleaner" to improve > the signal noise for the kind of posts were talking about. Not a > simple problem to solve (well for me anyway). If you're serious about maintaining the relevant content, it's *very* hard (requires "AI" n

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Lindsay Haisley writes: > On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Yes. The MIME type of the digest part is multipart/digest. The > > individual messages are message/rfc822 sub-parts. > > So ideally, a "proper" MUA should be able to extract and deal with the > message/rfc822

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 04:06 PM, Al Black wrote: > > I spent a few hours yesterday thinking about a "cleaner" to improve the > signal noise for the kind of posts were talking about. Not a simple problem > to solve (well for me anyway). It's a very hard problem. You can see some of my attempts at thi

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Hey everyone, On 2015-03-23, at 1:26 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/23/2015 02:54 AM, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: >> >>> Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the >>> digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. >> >> Do yo

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 12:20 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Interestingly, there is an undigestify add-on for T-bird > . > > It will explode a digest into individual messages in the same folder, > but it only works with RFC 1153 digests

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 02:54 AM, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: > >> Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the >> digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. > > Do you mean the MIME digests produced by mailman ? I totally disagree, > th

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 11:34 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > T-bird comes close, but no cigar. I've tinkered with it to try to make > it do what Thomas suggested was proper (with which I agree). T-bird > treats a message/rfc822 attachment as it would a text/plain attachment. > You can do whatever you wish

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 20:06 +0100, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I didn't. You misattributed a previous post to me. > I'm sorry, my bad. I got tangled up in the quote levels. Lucio Chiappetti said it. > A proper MUA shall allow to read each message in the digest as if it were > a single e-mail (and

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Yes. The MIME type of the digest part is multipart/digest. The > individual messages are message/rfc822 sub-parts. So ideally, a "proper" MUA should be able to extract and deal with the message/rfc822 sub-parts as emails in their own right.

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME str

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 11:44 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > I haven't dealt with MIME-format digests from MM for quite a while. I > assume that these are functionally attachments with a MIME type of > message/rfc822, yes? Yes. The MIME type of the digest part is multipart/digest. The individual messages

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It will display all > messages in a multipart/digest inline, but also list them as > 'attachments' I haven't dealt with MIME-format digests from MM for quite a while. I assume that these are functionally attachments with a MIME type of messa

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 11:23 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the > > reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to > > extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME structure and > > save it _as an email_

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 03/23/2015 10:55 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the > reasons I keep Evolution as my primary MUA is because it allows me to > extract a message/rfc822 part from a multipart/mixed MIME structure and > save it _as an email_ in the mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 17:46 +0100, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > A proper MUA shall allow to read each message in the digest as if it were a > > single e-mail (and reply, archive, forward etc. etc.). I know of exactly one that's "proper" in this regard. One of the reasons I keep Evolution as my pri

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Mon, 23 Mar 2015, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. Do you mean the MIME digests produced by mailman ? I totally disagree, they are one

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

> On Mar 21, 2015, at 19:52 PM, William Bagwell wrote: > > On Saturday 21 March 2015, Al Black wrote: >> Although the ideal solution is obviously users changing their behaviour >> and or MUAs, I've wondered whether an "auto-trim" function within mailman >> would make sense (for digest users...)

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On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 13:07 +0100, Roel Wagenaar wrote: > Filtering maillist messages to a folder per list is a far more tidy way of > dealing with the problem of identifying messages. I did run into a minor issue with this regarding IMAP retrieval of mail. It's important, in general, to make sure

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"A.K. Eyma" wrote: > Having all mail of a list come in with [listname] first in each subject line > is more tidy. In that way you would differentiate at one glance in your inbox > between > Filtering maillist messages to a folder per list is a far more tidy way of dealing with the problem o

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 05:45:58PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I do understand that in some business situations (contract negotiations, > attorney/client communication and the like), it is useful and pretty > much demanded that each message contain the full transcript of what went > before, I do

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On 3/22/2015 12:14 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > Nowhere in the visible UI is "Smart Reply" mentioned, nor is it listed > in the preferences menu. This may be a default of the installation > rather than of of T-bird itself. If you get into customize mode for that toolbar (right-click on it, custo

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Al Black wrote: Further to the point, between top posting and lack of editing, the digest format of list posts are essentially unreadable. Do you mean the MIME digests produced by mailman ? I totally disagree, they are one of the best features. Subscribing in digest mod

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Every modern (typically GUI) MUA I know of has ... I use a non-GUI MUA (Alpine) and I find it has all the features I can imagine to want (some of which were "user programmed") I think modern MUAs in widespread use (with the exception of Thund

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

Usenet over UUCP via 300 baud modems on backbone servers with 5MB disks.[1] I adverse top-posting (and entire quoting of the whole replied message, or worst, thread) NOT because it is wasting bandwidth, NOT because it is wasting diskspace when archived ... but because it is disturbing to me to