Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Andrew Stuart writes: > For example I’m still not really clear on which field the list > address should go into, To or CC. Most Mailman lists will refuse to accept mail BCC'd to the list. > and does it matter what other addresses go into to and cc fields. It doesn't matter for mechanical pu

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > This is an interesting question for me because I think the > netiquette rules I've been using for decades may be changing. http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Teach/IntroSES/socsys.html Yes-Virginia-economics-can-be-useful-ly y'rs, --

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lindsay Haisley writes: > As far as editing, top posting, bottom posting, etc. it's just a matter > of using good sense. But there's one aspect of good sense you left out, namely "When in Rome...". This list strongly prefers interlinear posting (posting below the relevant paragraph) if you rep

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 3/19/2015 6:59 PM, David Andrews wrote: Everyone should remember that your needs are not necessarily the same as others. I run some 250 lists that primarily cater to blind persons, and top posting is the norm. And for those lists, it's accepted practice because it works for them. Most of

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread David Andrews
At 07:45 PM 3/19/2015, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 03/19/2015 02:53 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > As the article mentions, there are enough different styles in widespread use > that it's best to conform to the norms of the community. My own feeling is > that interleaved-with-trimming is the most condu

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/19/2015 06:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Another reason that I have been told by some people that they want > people to top post is that their client will show in the message list a > summary of the first line of the message, and they want that to be the > new content to see if it is worth r

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Richard Damon
On 3/19/15 5:53 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: What I've found interesting is that some of my correspondents (off-list) actually *want* top posting, and find anything else confusing. I think I understand why in at least some cases; Apple Mail top posts by default, and some folks just don't like to go d

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Peter Shute
Andrew Stuart wrote: > Is it practical to come up with a very short list of > instructions for non-highly-technical end users to give them > so hints and confidence to get started using a list? > > Thinking a clerk in the accounts department at > large-corporation-X has been subscribed to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:45 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Top posting with full quoting is also encouraged by MUAs like Gmail's > web client that hide the quoted material unless you ask for it. It's also encouraged by iDevices with iOS using mail clients which insert the quoted material _below_ the

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Peter Shute
Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > I agree with the other reply that said people are tending > towards top > > quoting more and more. Many people simply top quote as > encouraged by > > their mail client, and haven't considered that there's any > other way. > > Do you mean where the new content is at t

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Stuart
Seems like there are various approaches and opinions. Is it practical to come up with a very short list of instructions for non-highly-technical end users to give them so hints and confidence to get started using a list? Thinking a clerk in the accounts department at large-corporation-X has bee

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/19/2015 02:53 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > As the article mentions, there are enough different styles in widespread use > that it's best to conform to the norms of the community. My own feeling is > that interleaved-with-trimming is the most conducive to mailing list > discussions. +1 Alt

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2015-03-20 at 10:50 +1100, Peter Shute wrote: > In all the mail clients I use, I get a choice of Reply, which for this > list will reply only to the original sender, or Reply All, which sends > it to the original sender and the list. I'm kinda retro when comes to mail clients. My MUA of c

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/19/2015 04:50 PM, Peter Shute wrote: > Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >> It is polite, though, to make sure you're not sending >> duplicate posts to people by doing a "Reply to All" which >> will probably send a copy of your reply to _both_ the list >> and the original poster. I think that thi

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 3/19/2015 4:50 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I agree with the other reply that said people are tending towards top quoting more and more. Many people simply top quote as encouraged by their mail client, and haven't considered that there's any other way. Do you mean where the new content is at the

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Peter Shute
Lindsay Haisley wrote: > It is polite, though, to make sure you're not sending > duplicate posts to people by doing a "Reply to All" which > will probably send a copy of your reply to _both_ the list > and the original poster. I think that this is a common point > of confusion. "All" in this

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 3/19/2015 3:22 PM, Marco Stoecker wrote: > > Ahh, just found Mailman's log file folder: > smtp-failure log is empty for yesterday but > smtp log shows the following: > Mar 18 22:17:05 2015 (2590) <5509eb1c.8050...@domain.de> smtp to listA > for 3 recips, completed in 13.036 seconds > Mar 18 22:

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 14:56 -0700, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 3/19/2015 2:19 PM, Andrew Stuart wrote: > > When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the “right” way to do > > it? > > Should I be deleting previous thread text from my response? > > Should I be adding anything in? > > Is ther

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 3/19/2015 2:19 PM, Andrew Stuart wrote: When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the “right” way to do it? Should I be deleting previous thread text from my response? Should I be adding anything in? Is there some general ideas for the “right” way to reply to a message on a list?

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/2015 08:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/19/2015 11:31 AM, Marco Stoecker wrote: >> On 03/19/2015 05:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> On 03/18/2015 02:46 PM, Marco Stoecker wrote: I have Mailman up and running. I just sent an e-mail t

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Stuart
I was thinking that people new to using Mailman could get a very simple email “welcome to this list” on subscription, with brief pointers on how to do things. To the uninitiated there might be a sense of not wanting to engage for fear of breaking something or doing it wrong. I’m certain that t

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/2015 08:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/19/2015 11:31 AM, Marco Stoecker wrote: >> On 03/19/2015 05:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> On 03/18/2015 02:46 PM, Marco Stoecker wrote: I have Mailman up and running. I just sent an e-mail t

Re: [Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 20, 2015, at 08:19 AM, Andrew Stuart wrote: >When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the “right” way to do it? >Should I be deleting previous thread text from my response? >Should I be adding anything in? Of course, Wikipedia is the font of all human knowledge and truth: http

[Mailman-Users] The "right" way to reply to a mailing list

2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Stuart
When I reply to a message on a mailing list, what is the “right” way to do it? Should I be deleting previous thread text from my response? Should I be adding anything in? Is there some general ideas for the “right” way to reply to a message on a list? as ---

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/19/2015 11:31 AM, Marco Stoecker wrote: > On 03/19/2015 05:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 03/18/2015 02:46 PM, Marco Stoecker wrote: >>> >>> I have Mailman up and running. I just sent an e-mail to 5 lists >>> and the e-mail came duplicated to the recipients. I checked the >>> header and the

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/2015 05:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/18/2015 02:46 PM, Marco Stoecker wrote: >> >> I have Mailman up and running. I just sent an e-mail to 5 lists >> and the e-mail came duplicated to the recipients. I checked the >> header and the only

Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/18/2015 02:46 PM, Marco Stoecker wrote: > > I have Mailman up and running. I just sent an e-mail to 5 lists and > the e-mail came duplicated to the recipients. I checked the header and > the only difference is the following: > > 1. Header: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=

[Mailman-Users] duplicates

2015-03-19 Thread Marco Stoecker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have Mailman up and running. I just sent an e-mail to 5 lists and the e-mail came duplicated to the recipients. I checked the header and the only difference is the following: 1. Header: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00