Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 08:43 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > And what did that log show for the sender non-delivery notification > message generated as a result of the undeliverable message. > I looked at the postfix logs again and although I do see different type of > bounces, I am not seeing anything delivere

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Fraser
And what did that log show for the sender non-delivery notification message generated as a result of the undeliverable message. I looked at the postfix logs again and although I do see different type of bounces, I am not seeing anything delivered to mailman. Here are some examples: Jun 20 04:11:3

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC handler

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Shute
Yahoo Groups also add something like this in a footer: "Posted by: a real name a-n...@a-domain.co.uk" and a series of mailto links below that for replying to the original sender or to the group. I find the former useful for telling who sent the message, because my iPad only displays the list add

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 07:23 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > > > Wait a minute, I typed this command by force of habit, just realized that's > not what you told me to type so I ran it again > ps -ax | grep BounceRunner > and the result is: > 8138 ?? S 0:00.26 /usr/local/bin/python2.7 > /usr/local/ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Fraser
Wait a minute, I typed this command by force of habit, just realized that's not what you told me to type so I ran it again ps -ax | grep BounceRunner and the result is: 8138 ?? S 0:00.26 /usr/local/bin/python2.7 /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Fraser
Ok so ps -waux | grep BounceRunner returns nothing. How do I start it up? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: htt

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC handler

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Rousell
On 22/06/2014 00:04, Ron Guerin wrote: > I'm struggling to find a palatable solution to the configuration of a > list, and the new Yahoo-style DMARC problem. > > The list has mung on, as well as Reply-To: set to the list. The end > result is nowhere does the original sender's address appear in th

[Mailman-Users] DMARC handler

2014-06-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Ron Guerin writes: > Jane Doe (j...@example.com) via listname > > My question now is, is there any reason why re-writing it this way > would be a bad idea? First, the DMARC proponents themselves say "don't do that!" (Mostly for the reasons given below.) Second, it disrespects the wis

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC handler

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 04:04 PM, Ron Guerin wrote: > I'm struggling to find a palatable solution to the configuration of a > list, and the new Yahoo-style DMARC problem. > > The list has mung on, as well as Reply-To: set to the list. The end > result is nowhere does the original sender's address appear in

Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC handler

2014-06-21 Thread John Levine
>I was wondering about asking someone to make a Mailman handler that >would re-write the From: address after munging to: > >From: Jane Doe (j...@example.com) via listname > >My question now is, is there any reason why re-writing it this way would >be a bad idea? Well, of course, it's a bad idea f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Fraser writes: > The message I showed earlier was the postfix on the same box as > mailman. Mailman should detect those bounces. I was just thinking > based on what you said about some smtp servers getting the 5xx > status from downstream servers thatthose errors would not reach > mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 01:24 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > > > The message I showed earlier was the postfix on the same box as mailman. > Mailman should detect those bounces. And what did that log show for the sender non-delivery notification message generated as a result of the undeliverable message. And

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
willi uebelherr writes: > I think, Goggle use the mail-message-id. Is it possible in the mailman, > to change the message-id of the mail? You don't want to do that. Modern mail clients determine relationships ("order of conversations") among messages which may have similar subjects (or may no

[Mailman-Users] DMARC handler

2014-06-21 Thread Ron Guerin
I'm struggling to find a palatable solution to the configuration of a list, and the new Yahoo-style DMARC problem. The list has mung on, as well as Reply-To: set to the list. The end result is nowhere does the original sender's address appear in the messages, when having them readily visible is t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Fraser
The message I showed earlier was the postfix on the same box as mailman. Mailman should detect those bounces. I was just thinking based on what you said about some smtp servers getting the 5xx status from downstream servers thatthose errors would not reach mailman the way things are set up her

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 11:00 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: > I checked the data directory and saw some *.pck files Their names were along > the lines of "heldmsg--727.pck"so I guess then bouncerunner should > be running. All the .pck files have heldmsg in the name. These are all messages held waiting moderato

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Fraser
I checked the data directory and saw some *.pck files Their names were along the lines of "heldmsg--727.pck"so I guess then bouncerunner should be running. All the .pck files have heldmsg in the name. The way our setup is designed though, the mailman box isn't the mail smtp relay. It sits behin

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear Mark, many thanks. Now i understand. If i use the archive to import mails from Mbox-format, the header are cutted. I don't like this. Maybe, with the digest mode it is the same. And for my needs to be able to actually interaction it is not good for me. I will try to ask the google-team

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 09:54 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > I think, Goggle use the mail-message-id. Is it possible in the mailman, > to change the message-id of the mail? A list member cannot control this. The site admins could patch Mailman to do this, but it is not compliant with mail standards and c

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 10:05 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > many thanks for your answer. What is "digests"? I am a german and i > don't understand the translation for "digest". >From the subscription form on the listinfo page: Möchten Sie die Listenmails gebündelt in Form einer täglichen Zusammenfassung

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Am 06/21/2014 11:05 a.m., schrieb Richard Damon: > ... > There are cases where YOUR mail transport or user agent might > eliminate/hide messages. GMail is well know to do this, it will > automatically remove extra copies of messages that it sees as > dupicate (by matching message ids). If there ar

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear Mark, many thanks for you fast answer. But in this time, before i read your answer, i search in the mailman documentation and i found this information. With your answer now i know, what is going on. I think, Goggle use the mail-message-id. Is it possible in the mailman, to change the m

[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Re: [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org

2014-06-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear friends, with this information from the mailman admin documentation i understand the wrong situation. I tried to discuss with the people from the admin group on www.1net.org. But the proplem have nothing to do with mailman-server. many thanks for your information. But what can we/i do?

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/20/2014 06:03 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > Hi AllI have mailman-2.1.17 running on FreeBSD 9.1 along with postfix-2.11.0,1 > I noticed that bad email addresses were not being cleared out so I downloaded > get_bounce_info.py,saved it and ran it. No bounce info was displayed.I > checked the postf

Re: [Mailman-Users] adress on same server cannot send to list with thunderbird on port 587

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/21/2014 05:44 AM, Jérôme Fabre wrote: > > I use mailman on a server that hosts all my mails for some domains. > system is release 3 ovh based on Centos6. > with thunderbird (or any other mail client), i use port 587. But with > this configuration, i cannot send emails to my list. I recieve a

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread Richard Damon
On 6/20/14, 2:28 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: Dear friends, i am new on this list and come with a question to the overlay of admin configurations over the users configurations. In some maillist i have the problems, that the user configuration a) Receive your own posts to the list? YES b) Avoi

Re: [Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/20/2014 11:28 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > In some maillist i have the problems, that the user configuration > a) Receive your own posts to the list? YES > b) Avoid duplicate copies of messages? NO > > is not working. On some maillists it is working. Never i administrate a > mailman ins

[Mailman-Users] user configuration

2014-06-21 Thread willi uebelherr
Dear friends, i am new on this list and come with a question to the overlay of admin configurations over the users configurations. In some maillist i have the problems, that the user configuration a) Receive your own posts to the list? YES b) Avoid duplicate copies of messages? NO is not w

[Mailman-Users] Bounces not being detected

2014-06-21 Thread Peter Fraser
Hi AllI have mailman-2.1.17 running on FreeBSD 9.1 along with postfix-2.11.0,1 I noticed that bad email addresses were not being cleared out so I downloaded get_bounce_info.py,saved it and ran it. No bounce info was displayed.I checked the postfix logs and the bounce info was there. A bit from th

[Mailman-Users] adress on same server cannot send to list with thunderbird on port 587

2014-06-21 Thread Jérôme Fabre
Hello, I use mailman on a server that hosts all my mails for some domains. system is release 3 ovh based on Centos6. with thunderbird (or any other mail client), i use port 587. But with this configuration, i cannot send emails to my list. I recieve an error message from the daemon saying "use