Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignore DMARC bounces?

2014-06-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: > But from the member's perspective they're being asked to change > something they've possibly had for many years, for a reason they > don't fully understand, and which they may not even believe. That kind of thing happens to me all the time (I now live in Japan). Nothing n

Re: [Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

2014-06-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/14/2014 05:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Conrad G T Yoder writes: > > > I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail > > transport unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the > > rate-limiting issue is not currently rearing its head), and that is > >

[Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

2014-06-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Conrad G T Yoder writes: > I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail > transport unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the > rate-limiting issue is not currently rearing its head), and that is > causing Mailman (2.1.17) subscriptions to be disabled. Example

Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignore DMARC bounces?

2014-06-14 Thread Peter Shute
Sent from my iPad > On 14 Jun 2014, at 10:42 pm, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > My personal opinion is that these traditional changes are expected and > desired by mailing list subscribers, and that posting from "p=reject" > domains is thereby a violation of the policy of the "p=reject" domain

Re: [Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

2014-06-14 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 06/14/2014 09:22 AM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > > I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail transport > > unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the rate-limiting issue > > is not currently rearing its h

Re: [Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

2014-06-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/14/2014 09:22 AM, Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail transport > unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the rate-limiting issue is > not currently rearing its head), and that is causing Mailman (2.1.17) > subscriptions to

[Mailman-Users] 4.3.0 mail transport unavailable

2014-06-14 Thread Conrad G T Yoder
I have recently (last couple weeks?) started getting "4.3.0 mail transport unavailable” bounces from roadrunner/TW addresses (the rate-limiting issue is not currently rearing its head), and that is causing Mailman (2.1.17) subscriptions to be disabled. Example error message in the “Bounce actio

Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignore DMARC bounces?

2014-06-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Sparr writes: > Modifying the messages bothers me (and a lot of other people, as > indicated by the last dozen times similar conversations have been had, > about changing Reply-To and From and Subject and ...) and should be > the last resort. Well, actually the point is that lists need to do

Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignore DMARC bounces?

2014-06-14 Thread Sparr
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Peter Shute wrote: > It probably(?) can't hurt, but what's the point if each bounce represents an > undelivered message? Isn't it better to modify the messages so they don't > bounce? I'd be more inclined to remove the posting privileges of someone whose posts p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Ignore DMARC bounces?

2014-06-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: > It probably(?) can't hurt, but what's the point if each bounce > represents an undelivered message? Each bounce is one bounce that takes a perfectly innocent user one bounce closer to getting disabled or unsubscribed. We need to do something about this. The easiest thing