Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo - what chance of change now?

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: > I'm interested to know what's in store because our current tactic > is to reject new Yahoo and AOL subscribers, encourage existing ones > to get new addresses, and to forward their messages by hand. This > is obviously not going to work if other providers gradually start

[Mailman-Users] Yahoo - what chance of change now?

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: > It's now about 2 months since Yahoo introduced their DMARC reject > policy. I'm taking this as a sign that it's unlikely that they'll > ever reverse the decision On the DMARC list at IETF, a senior Yahoo! sysadmin said that because the attack based on stolen address book

Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo - what chance of change now?

2014-06-09 Thread Peter Shute
Based on that, it's here forever, but will only spread to other mailbox providers if they experience a surge in spoofing. I'm interested to know what's in store because our current tactic is to reject new Yahoo and AOL subscribers, encourage existing ones to get new addresses, and to forward th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:48:38 -0400 "Perry E. Metzger" wrote: > > On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 17:01:19 -0700 Mark Sapiro > wrote: > > They are spammers attempting to subscribe to your list(s) via POSTs > > to the web subscribe CGI. Presumably if they successfully > > subscribe, they will then spam the li

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Perry E. Metzger writes: > BTW, I don't quite understand this. Why would splatting random > addresses at you help them? Why not just pick real addresses they > control? Successfully subscribing is easy, and generating seemingly > random addresses won't get them subscribed since the addresses w

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Peter Shute
Who said spamming has to be logical? I once read that spammers often use outdated, stolen, spamming software that spams in ways that were obsolete years ago. Peter Shute > -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org] > On Behal

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 17:01:19 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > They are spammers attempting to subscribe to your list(s) via POSTs > to the web subscribe CGI. Presumably if they successfully > subscribe, they will then spam the list. BTW, I don't quite understand this. Why would splatting random address

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 17:01:19 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > They are spammers attempting to subscribe to your list(s) via POSTs > to the web subscribe CGI. Presumably if they successfully > subscribe, they will then spam the list. > > If you have Mailman 2.1.16 or later, you can mitigate this by > se

Re: [Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/09/2014 04:11 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > This is a first-cut, mildly sloppy script that will try to match some > patterns of interest that I've noticed in my "subscribe" log and that > might be in yours. ... > > Here is what the last 10 lines of its output look like on my system: > > Jun

[Mailman-Users] Bogus/forged subscription attempts: request for comments and possibly data

2014-06-09 Thread Rich Kulawiec
If you (Mailman site operators) have a spare moment, please try running this: cut here-- #!/bin/sh cd /var/local/mailman/logs egrep "pending [a-z]+ <[a-z]+@[a-z]+\.com>" subscribe \ | egrep -v "@gmail.com" \ | egrep -v "@hotmail.com" \ | egrep -v "@

[Mailman-Users] Yahoo - what chance of change now?

2014-06-09 Thread Peter Shute
It's now about 2 months since Yahoo introduced their DMARC reject policy. I'm taking this as a sign that it's unlikely that they'll ever reverse the decision Has anyone heard anything that might indicate otherwise? Or that any mailbox providers other than Yahoo and AOL have started doing it, or

Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers

2014-06-09 Thread Barry S. Finkel
On 06/09/2014 01:16 PM, EyeLand wrote: > >urlhttp://vps1.ournet.biz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailman >emailmail...@vps1.ournet.biz >control panel ISPConfighttps://vps1.ournet.biz:8080/ > >now I want only to export all emails (10 000) to txt file from that mailman list If I interpret the poste

Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/09/2014 01:16 PM, EyeLand wrote: > > url http://vps1.ournet.biz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailman > email mail...@vps1.ournet.biz > control panel ISPConfig https://vps1.ournet.biz:8080/ > > now I want only to export all emails (10 000) to txt file from that mailman > list First, do list_

Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers

2014-06-09 Thread EyeLand
2014-06-09 22:51 GMT+03:00 Mark Sapiro : > If this is cPanel, You need to use the cPanel list name of the form > mailman_host. I.e., it's usually the list's posting address with the '@' > replaced by '_'. In any case, it's the same name as used in URLs like > http://HOST/mailman/listinfo/LIST_HOST.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/09/2014 12:49 PM, EyeLand wrote: > > root@vps1:~# locate list_members > /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members > /usr/sbin/list_members Since whatever packaged Mailman this is has put (copies of? links to?) mailman's bin commands in /usr/sbin, as root you can probably just do list_members mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 06/09/2014 11:32 AM, EyeLand wrote: > > root@vps1:~# ~mailman/bin/list_members mailman > -bash: ~mailman/bin/list_members: No such file or directory > > OR > > root@vps1:~# ~mailman/bin/list_members mailman@host > -bash: ~mailman/bin/list_members: No such file or directory > > where I can

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 124, Issue 8

2014-06-09 Thread EyeLand
2014-06-09 21:42 GMT+03:00 Gerry Grieve : > This complaint is NOT about the list name but about the > program name “~mailman/bin/list_members mailman”, ie the > shell did not find list_memebers with this path. > > Use the “locate” command to find your your mailmain/bin directory. > > ie >>gt; locat

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 124, Issue 8

2014-06-09 Thread EyeLand
2014-06-09 13:00 GMT+03:00 : > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:40:35 -0400 > From: Rich Kulawiec > To: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers > Message-ID: <20140608204035.ga29...@gsp.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sun, Jun 08

Re: [Mailman-Users] Export all subsribers

2014-06-09 Thread Bjoern Franke
Am Sonntag, den 08.06.2014, 20:11 +0300 schrieb EyeLand: > Hello, on mailing list I have many emails on "Membership Management... > - [Membership List]", how I can export all on txt file? Thank you. /usr/sbin/list_members -o regards Bjoern -- xmpp b...@schafweide.org bjo.nord-west.org | nord-

Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix MTA - getting smtpd...mailman/data/aliases.db: Permission denied (doh!)

2014-06-09 Thread J Davis
In one word - selinux. Disable it now. Get to work. It is about risk vs. reward. Don old UNIX cap and IMHO - it may someday it may not be so much of a philosophy and usable by the masses - or it may end up like emacs and remain one. Jim Davis -