Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

Larry Stone writes: > Seems to me saying “Try to ensure that 'From:' is “aligned” with …” > does it. No. The problem is the author's email provider (ie, the mail domain of the person whose address is in the original From). For most lists, Mailman does *not* want "From" to be aligned with any

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On 04/30/2014 09:06 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 17:42 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> If this is set to Wrap Message, just wrap the message in an outer >> message From: the list with Content-Type: message/rfc822. >> > Since this is the _outer_ wrapper, shouldn't this be multipar

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On Thu, 2014-05-01 at 11:57 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > from_alignment: Try to ensure that From is not "misaligned" with > the author's domain, to conform with protocols like DMARC. > [FIXME: I don't see how to avoid the double negative. Help?!] from_alignment: Try to en

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On 04/30/2014 07:57 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > May as well rewrite the doc ... here goes: > > from_alignment: Try to ensure that From is not "misaligned" with > the author's domain, to conform with protocols like DMARC. > [FIXME: I don't see how to avoid the double negative.

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 17:42 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Note I also removed the bit about SPF and DKIM signing. They actually > may help with acceptance of your list mail by some ESPs, but not because > of DMARC, and the note could discourage people from using this when it > shouldn't. DKIM signin

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 17:42 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > If this is set to Wrap Message, just wrap the message in an outer > message From: the list with Content-Type: message/rfc822. > Since this is the _outer_ wrapper, shouldn't this be multipart/mixed? The inner _real_ list post is Content-Type:

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On Apr 30, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > May as well rewrite the doc ... here goes: > >from_alignment: Try to ensure that From is not "misaligned" with >the author's domain, to conform with protocols like DMARC. >[FIXME: I don't see how to avoid the double negative.

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

Mark Sapiro writes: > I changed it. In the 2.1.18 final it will say: > > - > from_is_list (general): Replace the sender with the list address to > conform with policies like DMARC. > > Replace the sender with the list address to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

Peter Shute writes: > Another question is what happens if yahoo groups receive aol > bounces. They might not use them to disable or unsubscribe members, > which would limit the damage to just non delivery. Yahoo! is a proprietary service, not in the habit of telling anybody what they're doing

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 15:18 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I hear you. It is badly explained and I need to fix it. Thanks for > raising this. > Mailman is open source software and I use it. It's my job :) -- Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works if you let it" FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On 04/30/2014 03:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/30/2014 12:56 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >> I can probably figure this out, but it might be good to explain this a >> bit more completely in the Mailman internal docs. It's not really clear >> exactly how these options relate, and how the prece

Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue approving subscription requests

On 04/30/2014 11:58 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Mark Sapiro > wrote: > > > See the script at . > > > Tried that, got this: > > ./list_requests -H -l >(name) > (S)kip, (A)cce

Re: [Mailman-Users] Private mailing list reply watcher

On 04/30/2014 07:33 AM, Tomas Babej wrote: > > I plan to write a script that will handle such cases in a generic way, > however, I don't like reinventing the wheel. Does anybody know if this > problem has already been solved? What problem are you trying to solve? Remailing the reply from the lis

[Mailman-Users] Private mailing list reply watcher

Hi, for our organization, we do host several mailing lists that serve two purposes: * for our internal communication * for people outside our organization to contact us However, it sometimes happens that a person that is not a member (and thus not subscribed to the list) writes us an email and w

Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

On 04/30/2014 12:56 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > The internal documentation in the admin screens for 2.1.18 is a bit > confusing with regard to Reply-To munging. > > In the doc for the from_is_list option we have "It replaces the poster's > address in the From: header with the list address and add

Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue approving subscription requests

On 04/30/2014 11:58 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Mark Sapiro > wrote: > > > See the script at . > > > Tried that, got this: > > ./list_requests -H -l >(name) > (S)kip, (A)cce

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error (2.1.16): "low level unrecoverable exception"

On 04/30/2014 11:30 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > What does this error message mean? "low level unrecoverable exception" It means something really bad happened. One of the Mailman web CGIs threw an exception and the CGI driver script encountered another exception while trying to log a traceback and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.16: where is the from_is_list option?

> -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users- > bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heller > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:40 PM > To: Mailman Users > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.16: where is the from_is_list option? > > I can't seem to f

[Mailman-Users] 2.1.18 internal documentation suggestions

The internal documentation in the admin screens for 2.1.18 is a bit confusing with regard to Reply-To munging. In the doc for the from_is_list option we have "It replaces the poster's address in the From: header with the list address and adds the poster to the Reply-To: header, but the anonymous_l

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

> On 1 May 2014, at 12:47 am, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: > >> On 04/30/2014 06:20 AM, Larry Finch wrote: >> >>> On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Peter Shute wrote: >>> >>> Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups? >> >> Yahoo doesn’t have to. Mail from a Yahoo group already has a Yahoo domain in

[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.16: where is the from_is_list option?

I can't seem to find this option! I have mailman 2.1.16 setup on a test server, but I cannot find the from_is_list option. Is there some special config magic that is needed for this? -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.de

Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue approving subscription requests

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > See the script at . > > Tried that, got this: ./list_requests -H -l (name) (S)kip, (A)ccept, (R)eject, (D)iscard [sard] A Traceback (most recent call last): File "./list_requests", line

[Mailman-Users] Mailman error (2.1.16): "low level unrecoverable exception"

What does this error message mean? "low level unrecoverable exception" I just installed my own build of mailman 2.1.16 (built under CentOS 5 x84_64) as an upgrade over the stock 2.1.9 that comes with CentOS 5 and I am getting this error. What should I be looking for? -- Robert Heller

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

On 04/30/2014 09:10 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > > And just to be clear here, I don't believe that it's possible for a > cooperating ESP to make rejection a per-user choice either. Consider an > email with multiple recipients served by the same SMTP server. Because > of the way SMTP works, all r

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

On Wed, 2014-04-30 at 07:22 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/30/2014 05:53 AM, Robert P. Schwartz wrote: > >>From some mailing list, the yahoo user's are getting the messages. > > Obviously, there are some setting that they did that other's not have. What > > could it be? > > > It is not a Yaho

Re: [Mailman-Users] 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender' error when using an e-mail from a domain co-hosted with the one used for Mailman lists

On 04/30/2014 04:08 AM, Jacques Setton wrote: > > To illustrate this, here is the related case set-up : > - domain.net and domain.org are co-resident on the same host VPS12345, > - domain.org is the one we use for mailman lists - link : > http://lists.domain.org/mailman/listinfo, > - we get no mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Q : Is there a possibility to localize / customize the standard Mailman lists home page / UI look ?

On 04/30/2014 04:35 AM, Jacques Setton wrote: > Currently, when choosing a specific local language (French in our case) for > Mailman' lists user interface, I have noticed that the standard home page > (for example the one depicted by 'lists.domain.org/mailman/listinfo') > remains in the English la

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

On 04/30/2014 07:20 AM, Larry Kuenning wrote: > > I think the reason Yahoo groups don't have to rewrite the From line is > that even if the original sender uses an @yahoo address, passing the > message through a Yahoo groups server won't break the DMARC tests > because it's still a yahoo server an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

On 04/30/2014 06:20 AM, Larry Finch wrote: > > On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Peter Shute wrote: >> >> Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups? >> > > Yahoo doesn’t have to. Mail from a Yahoo group already has a Yahoo domain in > the From field - the group address. To be more precise, ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

On 4/30/2014 9:20 AM, Larry Finch wrote: They are also rewriting From: headers in outgoing googlegroups posts whose original From: address is in a domain with DMARC p=reject. Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups? Yahoo doesn’t have to. Mail from a Yahoo group already has a Yahoo do

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Robert P. Schwartz wrote: > From some mailing list, the yahoo user's are getting the messages. > Obviously, there are some setting that they did that other's not have. What > could it be? > You need to clarify here. Yahoo users will get email posted from non-Yahoo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

On 04/30/2014 05:50 AM, Robert P. Schwartz wrote: > I am having a same problem with Yahoo messages. If I send a message from my > Yahoo account and have "ack" set for the users, I get the acknowledgment > that the message was sent but not the actual message. This has been > happening for about th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

On 04/30/2014 05:53 AM, Robert P. Schwartz wrote: >>From some mailing list, the yahoo user's are getting the messages. > Obviously, there are some setting that they did that other's not have. What > could it be? It is not a Yahoo user's setting. They can't control it. Yahoo users will receive p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

On Apr 29, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Craig Gaevert wrote: > It has been my experience that Yahoo is handling email for pacbell.net, > sbcglobal.net, hotmail, and yes even Comcast, as well as a business domain > hosted through sbcglobal - all based on a review of the bounce notices I’ve > received for

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

>From some mailing list, the yahoo user's are getting the messages. Obviously, there are some setting that they did that other's not have. What could it be? -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+rpschwar=knology@python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Turn

[Mailman-Users] email to specific account

I am a member of multiple email lists from different sources and I have multiple email addresses set up. It appears that emails from my yahoo.com account are not receiving messages. I have checked with other and it appears that if they use yahoo, they are not getting the email either. It happens

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

At Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:32:18 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 04/29/2014 01:25 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote: > > > > I think Gmail is doing the same. It's a touch evil to make mail from > > aol and yahoo less deliverable than your own... but it's what they asked > > for. > > > Gmail is honoring D

Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

I am having a same problem with Yahoo messages. If I send a message from my Yahoo account and have "ack" set for the users, I get the acknowledgment that the message was sent but not the actual message. This has been happening for about the last month. -Original Message- From: Mailman-U

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

At Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:09:43 -0400 (EDT) "Gregori Kurtzman, DDS" wrote: > > Need some insight and help. I have recently taken over a list that is using > mailman v 2.1.14. And we are getting a lot of bounce notices regarding > members and de-activation's of their subscriptions due to this. In t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

At Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:55:21 -0400 Conrad G T Yoder wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Large services > > like Yahoo, AOL, and Hotmail seem to be respecting the policy despite > > the adverse effect on their users (ie, getting unsubscribed). > > Pretty s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Peter Shute wrote: >> On 30 Apr 2014, at 9:32 am, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: >> >> They are also rewriting From: headers in outgoing googlegroups posts >> whose original From: address is in a domain with DMARC p=reject. > > Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

It has been my experience that Yahoo is handling email for pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, hotmail, and yes even Comcast, as well as a business domain hosted through sbcglobal - all based on a review of the bounce notices I’ve received for the lists I manage. Other info - my lists are hosted at Soni

[Mailman-Users] Q : Is there a possibility to localize / customize the standard Mailman lists home page / UI look ?

Currently, when choosing a specific local language (French in our case) for Mailman' lists user interface, I have noticed that the standard home page (for example the one depicted by 'lists.domain.org/mailman/listinfo') remains in the English language. Would there be a possibility to localize that

Re: [Mailman-Users] 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender' error when using an e-mail from a domain co-hosted with the one used for Mailman lists

Following on my last below post, I'd wish to report a small additional problem that I encountered after applying the '$alias_maps' fix to the 'local_recipient_maps' parameter. Whereas it effectively solved the 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender' issue when using a mail account from say virtual

Re: [Mailman-Users] Excessive bounces to list members on my list

> On 30 Apr 2014, at 9:32 am, "Mark Sapiro" wrote: > > They are also rewriting From: headers in outgoing googlegroups posts > whose original From: address is in a domain with DMARC p=reject. Is yahoo doing the same thing for yahoo groups? Peter Shute

[Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

sherwin writes: > I run a forum on Ibiblio and am seeing a strange phenomenon > lately. It's not a phenomenon, it's a policy of Yahoo! and AOL. The other services' users are "collateral damage", as the US DoD likes to say. > I would like to know what is happening to these missing messages th

[Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages

Hi, I run a forum on Ibiblio and am seeing a strange phenomenon lately. Messages are dropping off for certain users like AT&T, sbcglobal, etc. Gmail users are seeing these messages as Spam, but others are seeing nothing. Strangely, these messages do appear in the Archives of Ibiblio. Many of