Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Josh Berkus
On 11/8/12 4:37 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: >> >> So Mailman could have already marked a user as bounced, even though the >> MTA still has mail to them in the queue? > > > No. Mailman will only score a bounce for a DSN that indicates failure. > Any MTA that keeps a message queued

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Josh Berkus wrote: > >So Mailman could have already marked a user as bounced, even though the >MTA still has mail to them in the queue? No. Mailman will only score a bounce for a DSN that indicates failure. Any MTA that keeps a message queued for delivery after returning a failure DSN is seriousl

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Josh Berkus
> The lie is that there is no distinction between hard and soft bounces. > Any recognized DSN returned to Mailman with a status of undeliverable > is a hard bounce (score = 1.0), even if the reason is something like > full mailbox. Anything that indicates the MTA is still trying to > deliver is ig

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Josh Berkus wrote: > >BTW, how does bounce scoring work? I couldn't find any documentation on it. The documentation is at the "(Details for bounce_score_threshold)" link on the web admin Bounce processing page, but it lies. The lie is that there is no distinction between hard and soft bounces.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Josh Berkus
> That's quite likely the correct explanation. I will play with settings > and see if I can get bounce queuing down. BTW, how does bounce scoring work? I couldn't find any documentation on it. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.com ---

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Josh Berkus
> I am guessing that what you are saying is these messages are queued in > Postfix for addresses that give a Postfix retryable error. If you are > saying something different, please clarify as to where they are queued > and perhaps what their content is. Correct. > If my guess is correct, what i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Mark Sapiro
Josh Berkus wrote: >> >> 1) I set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings=0 >> >> 2) Using a withlist script, I removed all list members with any bounce >> stats at all. >> >> Yet, when I checked today, there were 98 outgoing bounce warnings >> (undeliverable) in the queue. Huh? > >Clarification: 98 *

Re: [Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Josh Berkus
On 11/8/12 9:53 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > 1) I set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings=0 > > 2) Using a withlist script, I removed all list members with any bounce > stats at all. > > Yet, when I checked today, there were 98 outgoing bounce warnings > (undeliverable) in the queue. Huh?

[Mailman-Users] Why is Mailman still sending bounce messages?

2012-11-08 Thread Josh Berkus
Folks, 1) I set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings=0 2) Using a withlist script, I removed all list members with any bounce stats at all. Yet, when I checked today, there were 98 outgoing bounce warnings (undeliverable) in the queue. Huh? -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://pgexperts.

[Mailman-Users] mailman across firewall

2012-11-08 Thread E Kogler
Hello, my task is to establish access to mailman across a firewall. The configuration looks (of course ;-) ) like that: INTERNET---FW--INTERNAL On the Firewall there is a mail-relay with postfix installed, on the Internal server the courier-mta does the job. I'm wondering how to cross the firewa