Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem when creating new lists

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Renstrom wrote: > >Everytime I create a new list using the Web interface in Mailman I get the >following error: > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1.14 >We're sorry, we hit a bug! >Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of >traceback and other system information has been

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Brad Knowles
On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> More importantly, it would be much less difficult for us to support >> that part of the community, which would help reduce the support >> burden that Apple has to maintain. > > C'mon, Brad, it's *annoying* to have to support that part o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Administratively subscribe other users via email

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 8/13/2012 4:59 PM, Nick Bright wrote: > > The easiest way to do this would be to have my billing system send an > email to mailman to subscribe the user. > > However, I have as of yet been unable to locate any information on how > to do so. > > I've tried using the "Approved:" header with a s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > >> Which is probably why they are so very violently opposed to having > >> any GPL-encumbered code anywhere in the company. > > > > GCC? gdb? binutils? Make? CUPS? Mailman? > > Gcc & gdb are gone --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > More importantly, it would be much less difficult for us to support > that part of the community, which would help reduce the support > burden that Apple has to maintain. C'mon, Brad, it's *annoying* to have to support that part of the community, but it's never been diff

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Brad Knowles
On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Which is probably why they are so very violently opposed to having >> any GPL-encumbered code anywhere in the company. > > GCC? gdb? binutils? Make? CUPS? Mailman? And that's just the > applications I know of in the Mac OS X distri

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to disable notifications to moderator and ownerof pending posts?

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mikael Jokela wrote: > >I have a list configuration question. I would like to totally disable >email notifications for a list regarding pending posts. The list >moderator or admin would login to the admindb page from time to time >regardless any notifications. The moderator and admin would get >not

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Dodell wrote: > >(1) First issue is cosmetic.At the bottom of each administrative page, >mailman does not display the icons which I see on ever other mailman website >... basically the mailman / python logos. Not a real big deal, besides the >cosmetic irk. I've checked the docs, fo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > > Doesn't their failure to do so violate the GPL? > > In this respect, I believe that they are probably in violation of > the spirit of the GPL, but perhaps not in the letter of the law. RMS is adamantly opposed to that interpretation of the "spirit of the GPL," and ha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Moderation

2012-08-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Dodell wrote: >I am running mailman on OSX Lion. > >Moderation through the web interface does not work. > >If I try to do anything from the web interface (see screenshot) ... I can see >a split second of it accessing the server, and the screen refreshes and goes >back to this default of "d

[Mailman-Users] Problem when creating new lists

2012-08-20 Thread David Renstrom
Hi, Everytime I create a new list using the Web interface in Mailman I get the following error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.14 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 21:39 +0300, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > I've got a copy of Mountain Lion server (it's only $20), and the code in > > question is Python, so it has to be shipped as source. So, if we want > > their changes, it's easy enough to get th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Geoff Shang
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Brad Knowles wrote: I've got a copy of Mountain Lion server (it's only $20), and the code in question is Python, so it has to be shipped as source. So, if we want their changes, it's easy enough to get them. Actually, it doesn't have to be shipped as source. They could

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Brad Knowles
On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > It's failure to provide source code to paying customers (even if the > price was zero) that violates the GPL. If one of us is willing to buy > a server system and demand source code, they either cough up or they > suffer a rerun of the O

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Brad Knowles
On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > My guess is that they don't put their top-flight people on either server > development or server support. I believe that they do have high quality people working on the development side, I think the issue is more on the support side. And th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lindsay Haisley writes: > > but if they're going to make modifications to it, they need to share > > those modifications back with us > > Doesn't their failure to do so violate the GPL? No. The GPL requires that you grant certain rights to use of your code to downstream recipients, not that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 22:33 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > Regretfully, the Server team at Apple is well known for ignoring > feedback and input from anyone else, especially anyone else in the > company. My guess is that they don't put their top-flight people on either server development or server s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

2012-08-20 Thread Matthias Schmidt
Am 20.08.2012 um 12:33 schrieb Brad Knowles: > On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >> There are lots of mailing lists available. Mailman is only one of them. >> Apple no doubt supports _a_ mailing list, but as Apple Enterprise >> Support says, one can seldom expect support fr

Re: [Mailman-Users] Administratively subscribe other users via email

2012-08-20 Thread Mailman Admin
Hello Nick Bright On 2012-08-14 01:59, Nick Bright wrote: > I'm sorry if this is a repeated question; but I've spent the last hour > searching/reading faq's and not finding anything useful. > > I'm creating a newsletter mailing list, which I've successfully done - > now, I am trying to get my bi

Re: [Mailman-Users] creating second mailinglist

2012-08-20 Thread Mailman Admin
Hello Andre Vallese On 2012-08-09 14:03, Andre Vallese wrote: > > We have a mailinglist already running well. Now trying to create a new > mailinglist. So we are on http://listen.ifz.name/mailman/admin and click on > create new list. What appears is the site > http://listen.ifz.name/mailman/crea