Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail "features"

2012-08-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > I really don't think that this is a disk storage issue, I think > this is much more likely to be a wrong-headed idea that this kind > of thing will be beneficial to the users -- after all, they know > that they sent the message and that copy is sitting in the outbox, >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail "features"

2012-08-09 Thread Brad Knowles
On Aug 8, 2012, at 11:11 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Well, unfortunately Gmail is closed-source and I don't know what the > full algorithm is. Surely Message-Id is part of it, but evidently > there are other aspects to it, or the behavior you and Brad > R. describe wouldn't happen. In the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail "features"

2012-08-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Lucio Crusca writes: > Again, that's not the point and we basically agree gmail is bad, > but... a standard is some set of commonly accepted rules. Be it > written down into a RFC or not. It doesn't need to be in an RFC, but it must be written. "What is commonly accepted" is simply not a stan

Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail "features"

2012-08-09 Thread William Bagwell
On Thursday 09 August 2012, Lucio Crusca wrote: > I'd only like to slap gmail in the face if I could, by > working around their wonderful feature, just for the taste of feeling > smarter than they pretend to be. All in all, what is hacking about if > not that? Please do! Gmail user only because my

Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail "features"

2012-08-09 Thread Lucio Crusca
Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > I don't think so. Perhaps "MUA" is the wrong term for a message store > "in the cloud", but the fact is that Gmail is the final recipient as > far as the RFCs are concerned. Eg, IMAP servers often implement SIEVE > recipes and spam filtering, so some messages will be