Re: [Mailman-Users] Personal patch

2012-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Lindsay Haisley wrote: >Can someone give me some feedback on the following patch to >SMTPDirect.py - whatever I've overlooked, or done that might be >dangerous? [...] >--- SMTPDirect.py.orig 2012-06-17 17:16:25.0 -0500 >+++ SMTPDirect.py 2012-06-17 21:17:25.0 -0500 >@@ -43,6 +

Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2012-06-17 at 20:40 -0700, Brad Knowles wrote: > You could do this, but the question is whether or not that header > would survive through to the complaint you get via their feedback > loop. I doubt that it would, but there's only one way to know for > sure. > My observation has been that

Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-17 Thread Brad Knowles
On Jun 17, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > So what would be the implications of hacking an extra header into > outgoing posts on lists for which personalization is enabled, say > "X-Subdata", with said header containing a hash of the subscriber > address to which the post is directed?

[Mailman-Users] Personal patch

2012-06-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
Can someone give me some feedback on the following patch to SMTPDirect.py - whatever I've overlooked, or done that might be dangerous? The purpose of this patch is to insert a header, "X-subdata" into VERPed emails which won't be flagged and redacted by AOL's brain-dead "Email Feedback Report" sys

Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loopandabuse complaints

2012-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 6/17/2012 4:44 PM, David wrote: > An AOL member complained about this same message today. > > The return path in the report from the AOL Feedback Loop gets redacted to: > > Return-Path: OK, that answers that question, so it would seem that Lindsay Haisley's suggestion of hacking in a cust

Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loopandabuse complaints

2012-06-17 Thread David
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Terry Earley wrote: > > >>Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, > >>Yahoo, etc)? > > > >Now that AOL also redacts return path, VERPing alone will not help much > for > >them. > > > >Return-Path: > > > Is that a r

Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loopandabuse complaints

2012-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terry Earley wrote: >>Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, >>Yahoo, etc)? > >Now that AOL also redacts return path, VERPing alone will not help much for >them. > >Return-Path: Is that a redact of a VERPed Return-Path:? It doesn't look like it. It looks like Retur

Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop andabuse complaints

2012-06-17 Thread Terry Earley
>Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, >Yahoo, etc)? Now that AOL also redacts return path, VERPing alone will not help much for them. Return-Path: Full Personalization could give you more to trace, since each post is send individually. Terry Earley FitEyes On S

Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop andabuse complaints

2012-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tanstaafl wrote: > >Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, >Yahoo, etc)? It would be a somewhat messy hack to Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to do it in Mailman. Depending on your MTA, you might be able to do it there if you have the MTA do the VERPing. See

Re: [Mailman-Users] what effect does mm_cfg.py settingVERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIEShave if personalize (nondigest) is set to NO?

2012-06-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
David wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> >> David wrote: >> >> >In mm_cfg.py I have these settings: >> > >> >OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION=Yes >> >VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES=Yes >> >VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes >> >VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes >> > >> > >> > If I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15 final released.

2012-06-17 Thread Barry S, Finkel
On 6/16/2012 2:04 PM, David wrote: How would I update from the version of Mailman 2.1.14 from Ubuntu's repository (on Ubuntu 12.04)? You can do what I did when I administered a Mailman system running on Ubuntu - I generated my own package from an existing Ubuntu package and the new SourceForge s

Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Sun, 2012-06-17 at 06:34 -0700, Brad Knowles wrote: > I can tell you the reasons that management gave at the time I was > working there -- it was all about the privacy of their user. They > said that they wanted to protect the privacy of the person who was > complaining. > So what would be the

Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled

2012-06-17 Thread Brad Knowles
On Jun 16, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > I have no idea why AOL wants to make it difficult for list > administrators to unsubscribe people who don't want to be subscribed and > who complain to AOL about list posts being spam. I can tell you the reasons that management gave at the tim

Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop and abuse complaints

2012-06-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-06-16 3:54 PM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Terry Earley: Maybe VERP is the best solution for AOL and her evil step-sisters if you can stand the overhead? Yep. Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, Yahoo, etc)? --