Re: [Mailman-Users] Meta: bringing along the newcomers

2009-12-17 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 14:55 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Somebody-whom-I-don't-want-to-pick-on-in-particular writes: > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:00:34PM -0500, (Some) Poor Fellow > wrote: > > > Thanks > > > > please don't > > (1) reply to list-posts off-list: send them to th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread Derrick Wooden
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > IOW, the mere mention of cPanel (or Plesk) causes Mailman-Users to > abort and dump core, which is not very useful to you. > I have been doing a lot of reading along that wise. As a result I'm setting up the new server with no cPanel and will use Postfix as my M

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
d-woo writes: > When I first started experimenting with MailMan 3 years ago, I used cPanel > to add/remove my mailing lists, but have since learned how to do a few > things via SSH. Is the implication that cPanel would hinder the optimal > performance of the MTA and/or Mailman? Maybe a littl

[Mailman-Users] Meta: bringing along the newcomers

2009-12-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Somebody-whom-I-don't-want-to-pick-on-in-particular writes: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:00:34PM -0500, (Some) Poor Fellow wrote: > > Thanks > > please don't > (1) reply to list-posts off-list: send them to the list; > (2) top-post Given the recent surge in non-traditional list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread Derrick Wooden
Additional information: Mailman 2.1.11.cp3 MTA - Exim 4 Exim Config: queue_only #smtp_connect_backlog = 200 #smtp_accept_max = 500 auto_thaw = 1d ignore_bounce_errors_after = 12h timeout_frozen_after = 2d split_spool_directory = yes queue_run_max = 20 remote_max_parallel = 20 smtp_connect_bac

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread d-woo
Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > Also, if it's a dedicated server, why are you using cpanel? > When I first started experimenting with MailMan 3 years ago, I used cPanel to add/remove my mailing lists, but have since learned how to do a few things via SSH. Is the implication that cPanel would hinder t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread d-woo
Adam McGreggor-2 wrote: > > You've not said which MTA, how that's been tweaked, how the spools are > handled (or indeed, partitioned), what else the machine's doing, the > connectivity of the machine, ISP infrastructure, destination servers, > geography/latency, or a ~bundle~ of other things. >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread Carl Zwanzig
Lots of it depends on the MTA (general opinion is that postfix seems to be the fastest), connectivity, and list settings (personalized email will take much longer). Check out the FAQ for performance, and as Adam mentioned, the list archives) FWIW, before you change hardware, have you looked

Re: [Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 04:14:03PM -0600, Derrick Wooden wrote: > I will be upgrading to: > Xeon 3450 - SATA - Quad Core 2.66 GHz - 250 GB IDE/SATA, 7200rpm - 4GB DDR3 > RAM; RedHat/cPanel Regarding cPanel, see . > and wanted to know if my email deliver would be much

[Mailman-Users] Increasing the Speed of Email Delivery

2009-12-17 Thread Derrick Wooden
I'm currently using a dedicated cPanel server with the following specs. Xeon 3060 - Dual Core 2.4 GHz - 250GB SATA-II HDD - 2GB DDR2 RAM; RedHat/cPanel It currently takes me about 6 hours to deliver 800K emails. It's an announce only list with 20 sublists of 40K addresses. I will be upgrading t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 17, 2009, at 04:30 PM, Steve Burling wrote: >Done. Thanks! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Larry Stone
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Steve Burling wrote: At one point, I compared the stock mailmanctl with that from the one Apple distributes with Mac OS X Server. The only difference was that the 'start' stanza in main() had been cloned as a 'startf' stanza, with a couple of relatively minor changes, pri

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Burling
--On December 17, 2009 4:12:29 PM -0500 Barry Warsaw wrote: Could someone submit a bug on this here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman I think it would be useful to support a "no-daemonize" option to the 'bin/mailman start' command in Mailman 3. To which I reply: Done. -- Steve Burling

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 17, 2009, at 03:35 PM, Steve Burling wrote: >At one point, I compared the stock mailmanctl with that from the one Apple >distributes with Mac OS X Server. The only difference was that the 'start' >stanza in main() had been cloned as a 'startf' stanza, with a couple of >relatively minor

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Larry Stone
I recognize some of my words in what Paul has quoted below so let me comment. The discussion Paul is quoting from dealt with running Mailman on Mac OS X CLIENT whereas Paul is dealing with Mac OS X SERVER. OS X Server comes with a bastardized version of Mailman where as OS X Client has nothing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Burling
--On December 17, 2009 1:21:35 PM -0600 Paul Kleeberg wrote: I am ready to tear my hair out. Thanks to Mark, I got mailman up and running except for one minor hitch. In my log file I see an endless stream of: 12/17/09 11:56:49 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) Throttling r

Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with an error

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Paul Kleeberg wrote: >Now that I know what a nightmare it is for me to upgrade Apple's installation >of Mailman on a 10.5.8 server, I am not eager to upgrade my 10.6.2 server to >which this message applies. I would like to apply the patch that Mark sent to >me but I see from faq 4.40 that I wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with an error

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Kleeberg
Now that I know what a nightmare it is for me to upgrade Apple's installation of Mailman on a 10.5.8 server, I am not eager to upgrade my 10.6.2 server to which this message applies. I would like to apply the patch that Mark sent to me but I see from faq 4.40 that I will need to go through the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Kleeberg
I am ready to tear my hair out. Thanks to Mark, I got mailman up and running except for one minor hitch. In my log file I see an endless stream of: 12/17/09 11:56:49 AM com.apple.launchd[1] (org.list.mailmanctl) Throttling respawn: Will start in 10 seconds 12/17/09 11:57:00 AM

Re: [Mailman-Users] Searching across lists and making global changes

2009-12-17 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:00:34PM -0500, Brian Luria wrote: > Thanks please don't (1) reply to list-posts off-list: send them to the list; (2) top-post > The site is hosted so I dont have shell access. Only the admin interface > etc. I presume that is of no use(?) It doesn't look that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailing list

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Elizabeth Cotterell wrote: >Hi there - I have been having problems with my MAILMAN mailing list that my >hosting service believes is a MAILMAN related problem rather than a hosting >one. I can't post to the list, though the support staff at the hosting >service can... My message gets to MAILMAN bu

Re: [Mailman-Users] How to reduce list archives

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Hans Joachim Wenzel wrote: > >we "private" archive all our lists - and its come the time where we >need to free space up on the volume that its archiving to. We are using >version 2.1.12. > >We tried to edit the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file to >remove the messages we don't wa

Re: [Mailman-Users] Searching across lists and making global changes

2009-12-17 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 04:36:14PM -0500, Brian Luria wrote: > Have multiple mailing lists under one domain > > Is there any way to search across all lists for a certain member find_member if you've got shell access > and make a global change to their email or name? I tend to see how many entri

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Andrea Cappelli wrote: > >I try to do this adding in msg_footer the following >Unsubscribe: >%(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)s&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1 > >but Mailman (2.1.11 on Debian Lenny) said me that I can't use >user_optionsutl in this variable > >There is any other way to do this

[Mailman-Users] Searching across lists and making global changes

2009-12-17 Thread Brian Luria
Apologies if this is a repeat, wasn't sure it went through * > Have multiple mailing lists under one domain > > Is there any way to search across all lists for a certain member and make a > global change to their email or name? > > As an administrator, if a user changes their email, I often ha

[Mailman-Users] How to reduce list archives

2009-12-17 Thread Hans Joachim Wenzel
Hi, we "private" archive all our lists - and its come the time where we need to free space up on the volume that its archiving to. We are using version 2.1.12. We tried to edit the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file to remove the messages we don't want and then run 'bin/arch --wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer

2009-12-17 Thread Steff Watkins
> -Original Message- > From: mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org] > On Behalf Of Andrea Cappelli > Sent: 17 December 2009 11:27 > To: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg

[Mailman-Users] Problem with mailing list

2009-12-17 Thread Elizabeth Cotterell
Hi there - I have been having problems with my MAILMAN mailing list that my hosting service believes is a MAILMAN related problem rather than a hosting one. I can't post to the list, though the support staff at the hosting service can... My message gets to MAILMAN but disappears into the ether once

[Mailman-Users] Searching across lists and making global changes

2009-12-17 Thread Brian Luria
Have multiple mailing lists under one domain Is there any way to search across all lists for a certain member and make a global change to their email or name? As an administrator, if a user changes their email, I often have to search each list for the member to locate them (1) and then change the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Sapiro
Paul Kleeberg wrote: >Mark has been helping me with this off-line It wasn't my intent to go off-line, but if someone replies to me without including the list, I tend not to copy the list on further replies. > >and get the following error: > > * Installation directory /var/mailman is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Error running bin/mailmanctl restart

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Kleeberg
Mark has been helping me with this off-line but I thought I would send this to the list to see if there are others who are aware of the solution. I have been using the following on a clean install of Mac Server 10.5.8 and upgrading Mailman 2.1.9 to 2.1.12: ./configure --prefix=/usr/sha

[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer

2009-12-17 Thread Andrea Cappelli
Hi list, I would place in email footer the link to give possibility to the user to unsubscribe (possibly directly, without insert the password) I try to do this adding in msg_footer the following Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password) s&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1 but Mailman (2.1.