Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting tactic

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Rodrigo Borges Pereira wrote: > I'm running a server that hosts a few domains. I already have mailman > running for lists.mydomain.com, and it is working great. > > However, now i want to give users that host domains the ability to use > lists.userdomain.com too, and each user

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 03:26 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Where then will you put the list submission address? for the lists I'm talking about, thre is none. These are e-newsletters. This isn't my mailman system. Sorry if it's not clear. This is my big server. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Inte

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:26 PM, alex wetmore wrote: > > Computers are cheap. Bandwidth isn't necessarily cheap. I run with a > > very high chunking factor because my MTA properly handles it > > But -- if this went away, what would it do to yo

RE: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting tactic

that sounds good for me.. it shouldn't be a big effort to keep list names not colliding between domains. however, how do you avoid the list administrator from changing the list preferred domain in the web interface? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

At 13:38 -0700 6/15/01, Phil Stracchino wrote: >When running majordomo lists, I always had the unsubscribe information >right in the message footer. Would it be so hard to do that with the > ? There are still MUAs in service which do not do the subje

RE: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting tactic

On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Rodrigo Borges Pereira wrote: > however, how do you avoid the list administrator from changing the list > preferred domain in the web interface? I don't know that you can. I trust my list administrators to leave that alone, but the only list adminsitrators besides myself are

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we've made the decision that all of our mail systems are going to be > sent individually. I'm planning on putting the subscribed address back > in the To: line Where then will you put the list submission address? (Putting it _only_ into List-Post:

[Mailman-Users] FW: Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

I'm getting these message by the dozen. I just did a Python install and a Mailman install apparently nothing works yet. Help? Thanks, John Cron /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from M

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:24 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Me, I see VERP as an afterthought. > > I tend to classify the various forms of "do something member unique > to each message as VERP" as they share similar system load issues. I do the same, but it's a habit I'm trying to break, beca

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 01:38 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: > When running majordomo lists, I always had the unsubscribe information > right in the message footer. Would it be so hard to do that with the > ? we're talking about going beyond that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 12:29:22PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:24 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: > > >> ... it has to be in every message. > > > > Really? > > If it's not in the message the user is looking at when they make the > decision to unsubscribe, it's no

[Mailman-Users] virtual hosting tactic

Hi! I'm running a server that hosts a few domains. I already have mailman running for lists.mydomain.com, and it is working great. However, now i want to give users that host domains the ability to use lists.userdomain.com too, and each user has it's own mailman setup under his domain. What's t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CVR> to a good degree by programming to the lowest common CVR> denominator. Maybe it's time to re-think that, so we can take CVR> advantage of some features, while still keeping a 'generic' CVR> module for the other MTAs

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CVR> I'm not saying Alex is wrong -- he's got some good CVR> points. but we need to quantify what those points are and CVR> what the impact is, so we can decide just how to move forward CVR> on this. If the impact is, oh

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:20 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: > Fair dinkum. A potential issue is that it is MTA dependent in > addition is it? I guess I'm missing the connection. > To date Mailman is quite MTA agnostic. > to a good degree by programming to the lowest common denominator. Maybe

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:24 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: >> ... it has to be in every message. > > Really? If it's not in the message the user is looking at when they make the decision to unsubscribe, it's not very useful, any more than the "monthly posting with unsubscribe information in i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 12:26 PM, alex wetmore wrote: > Computers are cheap. Bandwidth isn't necessarily cheap. I run with a > very high chunking factor because my MTA properly handles it But -- if this went away, what would it do to your bandwidth? Are you paying by packet? If not, the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:38:12 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The real issue here, IMHO, is likely ot be the wonderful > sendmail/DNS lookup on acceptance delay issue. And I'd suggest the > way to fix that is to fix the Sendmail module, and have it use > -Odeliverymode=defer.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > Is it really? Most of us are already setting that chunking factor very > small (5-10) for performance purposes. Moving it from 10 to 1 isn't > really all that significant, and it's only an issue where people are > already stressing server or network c

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:59:51 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:34 AM, J C Lawrence wrote: >> VERP is interesting. I'd argue that allowing Mailman to only >> apply VERP (or VERP-like techniques) to every Nth post to every >> Q'th list member is

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:01:15 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:37 AM, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Mailman has a large penetration in small under-weight >> systems/sites. Its the whole -t-does-everything deal which is >> particularly attractive to no

[Mailman-Users] Changing MTA usage in Mailman

(Changing the subject for this thread to something more relevant) > So what should the default be? While I appreciate this sentiment (a > lot!), I'm still worried that if we turn this on, a naive sys admin > could get themselves in hot water, and start flooding us with "Why > does my performance

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:34 AM, J C Lawrence wrote: > VERP is interesting. I'd argue that allowing Mailman to only apply > VERP (or VERP-like techniques) to every Nth post to every Q'th list > member is the most interesting case, both for bounce handling and > human unsubscribe/listinfo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:37 AM, J C Lawrence wrote: > Mailman has a large penetration in small under-weight systems/sites. > Its the whole -t-does-everything deal which is particularly > attractive to novice/small sites. I'd dislike seeing that quality > lost. > but will what we are pro

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:21 AM, Mark Roedel wrote: > Presumably, we'd also under most circumstances generate a farewell > message when someone was removed from a list. definitely. No black holes. You not only need to confirm the unsubscribe so the user knows the action they took succeede

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:21:58 -0500 Mark Roedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Presumably, we'd also under most circumstances generate a farewell > message when someone was removed from a list. That'd serve the > dual purpose of confirming a successful unsubscribe for someone > who was doing it le

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:12 AM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > That's what I wanted to know! If I understand one thing, its that my > own demands on Mailman are heavily skewed to the atypical lists I run, > the systems I run it on, and the kinds of tasks it forces on me. So > getting other po

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:12:07 -0400 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, or too curmudgeonly, but my > inclination would be to disable this by default, but allow a sys > admin to turn it on if they want. Precisely -- an option in Defaults.py that an admin

[Mailman-Users] How can I setup a demo mail list ?

Hi all ! Someone can tell me how I do for setup a demo mail list? All the functions in the administrative panel, must be disable (for security reasons). Thanks for any help ! Samir -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] Free Hosting

Benjamin: Try egroups.com or topica.com :-) =) Amanda Benjamin Winn wrote: > If anyone can host my mailing list, "The Trekker Newsletter" for free, > please do email me - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > We are a free service and barely pay for expenses, so monthly charges > wouldn't be able to happen.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:58:55 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it really? Most of us are already setting that chunking factor > very small (5-10) for performance purposes. Moving it from 10 to 1 > isn't really all that significant, and it's only an issue where > people are a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:10:14 -0400 Barry A Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The biggest hangup I've had with this approach is that it requires > Mailman to send N number of messages to the MTA, where N is the > number of members, as opposed to the currently 1 message it now > sends (modulo ch

RE: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

> -Original Message- > From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:04 PM > To: Mark Roedel > Cc: Chuq Von Rospach; Norbert Bollow; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying > passwords > > >> Interesti

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

BAW> That's always seemed a big pill to swallow, > "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CVR> Is it really? Most of us are already setting that chunking CVR> factor very small (5-10) for performance purposes. Moving it CVR> from 10 to 1 isn't really all that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 09:19 AM, Mark Roedel wrote: > Interesting idea, but I wonder how well it'd work in actual practice. > Do we really want [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be able to act on behalf of anyone > else in that domain? for subscribes? definitely not. For unsubscribes? Sure. The exposu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying pas swords

On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 10:10 AM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > I'm not so concerned about security. I figure that if we're crafting > a message for UserA, we can generate a unique url for that user to > click on to unsubscribe. Sure someone could intercept the email (and > probably does ;), b

[Mailman-Users] Mailman and LIDS??

Has anyone installed Mailman and LIDS? I'm having trouble getting everything to jive.. Scott -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

> NB> How about this: Put a link "to unsubscribe click here" at the > NB> bottom of every mail you send out. That link has the > NB> subscriber's email address embedded in it, and it leads to a > > The biggest hangup I've had with this approach is that it requires > Mailman to send N

[Mailman-Users] Free Hosting

If anyone can host my mailing list, "The Trekker Newsletter" for free, please do email me - [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are a free service and barely pay for expenses, so monthly charges wouldn't be able to happen. Thanks! Sincerely, Benjamin Winn The Trekker Newsletter - http://www.treknewsletter.co

Re: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion - cancelable postings

> "NM" == Nigel Metheringham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: NM> One way of helping this situation out, although it then NM> generates a race condition (between the original poster and NM> the moderator), is that the notification to the original NM> sender could contain a URL and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

> "NB" == Norbert Bollow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I definitely hear what Chuq's saying, and what others have >> asked for quite often. I'm mulling over ways to make >> unsubscribing dead simple both for users to accomplish, and for >> admin's to explain how it's done.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman to a new machine

> "EW" == Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: EW> I've done this twice. It's not trivial (at least it wasn't EW> for me), but it can be done. Yeah, I've done it /at least/ that many times, and I completely agree. ;/ Every time I move a Mailman installation I think about how nice

[Mailman-Users] OT: light-hearted unsubscriptions

ALl this talk recently about unsubscriptions... This came from another list I am on: Message: 27 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:17:20 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dan B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ic] (no subject) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:30 AM 6/14/2001 -040

Re: [Mailman-Users] config problem with mailman and postfix

Alain, This may or may not apply to you, but it's worth considering. Maybe try reconfiguring mailman with-mail-gid=99 (and 99 alone) to see if that will help? It may not, but... I'm running qmail, not postfix, but somehow the "user" that's passing mail in qmail got set to the wrong GID, and no

Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

Easy solution to this one... ::filtering turkey to the bitbucket:: Ahh. So quiet, so peaceful... =) Amanda Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > you're not on any of my mail lists. Have you considered following the instructions? > > Do you realize that abusing the people you're asking (well, demanding)

RE: [Mailman-Users] stop email

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] stop email > I wish to stop getting email from you ! thank you! It's an unfortunate fact of life that very few of the people o

RE: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying passwords

> -Original Message- > From: Norbert Bollow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Allowing users to join without specifying > passwords > > >> I definitely hear what Chuq's saying, and what others have >> a

[Mailman-Users] unsubscriptions

> How about this: Put a link "to unsubscribe click here" at the > bottom of every mail you send out. That link has the > subscriber's email address embedded in it, That's what has been discussed - it can't be done in the current state, cause the MTA gets stuff in batches, not just one message

[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

Hi, i was looking for a way not to send e-mail after subscription, confrim e-mail from subscriber back to list server. Also i want to stop sending password everymonth to the subscriber. How to restrict subscriber to post e-mail to a specfic group? Thanks.. _

RE: [Mailman-Users] config problem with mailman and postfix

> -Original Message- > From: Alain Simeray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Mailman-Users] config problem with mailman and postfix > > > I'm trying to set up Mailman on a RedHat 6.2 machine that has > postfix setup inst

[Mailman-Users] anonymity feature

Dear folks, I'm doing a research on "how anonymity in CMC influences communication behaviour among participants/communicators". This will be done in asynchronous mode, and I have chosen to use GNU Mailman rather than any other systems. This is the list of the "anonymity feature" requirements tha

[Mailman-Users] Suggestion - cancelable postings

I fairly often get the situation where list postings are sent from the wrong account (ie not the subscribed account) and so get held for moderation with a message sent back to the original user. The user often fires off another copy (or 2) from the correct email address. Meanwhile I can get to r

[Mailman-Users] config problem with mailman and postfix

hi! I'm trying to set up Mailman on a RedHat 6.2 machine that has postfix setup instead of sendmail. I've read the docs and the web interface works perfectly. I've created a mailing list called test2 with only myself subscribed to it but when I send mail to the mailing list, I got the following

[Mailman-Users] Archives not wrapping

I've got Mailman 2.05 up and running on Solaris8 with Apache1.3.19 & Python 2.1. Everything seems to be working fine but archived messages do not wrap. Has anyone had this problem? I've checked the faq and list archives and didn't see anything listed there about this. TIA, Amy -

Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:17:34 +0200 Enriko Groen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Owh... these bloody newbies on the net... Amateurs! Really! -- J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] -(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ The pressure to su