On Wed, 09 May 2001 01:09:26 -0500
Bill Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the end, I think that any disagreement we may have over this
> issue is actually philosophical rather than technical.
> Personally, I am a firm believer in the guiding principle of the X
> Window System which always s
On 11:32 PM 5/8/01, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>It's like cough medicine. It tastes rotten going down, but long term, it
>makes you feel better. Sometimes, you take a little pain now for the future.
This is similar to the pain mail server admins (and their associated
support staff) went through
On 5/8/01 11:09 PM, "Bill Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since upgrading my Mailman installation to
> 2.x these headers have been the direct cause of new tech support calls,
> everyone of which costs money.
So solve the real problem -- which is create a FAQ item telling people how
to fix m
So, I lied about my previous post being my last, but on reflection perhaps
some final comments are in order, or perhaps I just can't help myself...
At 04:54 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>This issue comes up again and again, and I apologize in advance if I sound
>(or sounded) grumpy a
On 5/8/01 10:57 PM, "David Casamento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So from what I can tell, my mailing list server is sending out all the dups.
But that doesn't tell you where they're coming from. Who's creating the
duplicates? You? Or someone else? Until you figure that you, you won't
really so
From going through the mail logs on the server, I can see that the same
message was sent to one person 76 times in one day and 33 times the next
day, at which staged I deleted all the queue files in the qfiles directory
and the mailouts stopped. The mail list has feature turned on that insists
On Tue, 08 May 2001 22:07:42 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/8/01 5:22 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I've decided the default footer isn't quite good enough.
>> Your complaint?
> Minor ones:
> ___
> shar
On 5/8/01 5:22 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've decided the default footer isn't quite good enough.
>
> Your complaint?
Minor ones:
___
sharks mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.hockeyfanz.com/mailman/listinfo/sharks
Nei
On 5/8/01 9:49 PM, "David Casamento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oops. Missed a few things.
> Here is some output from the Defaults.py file
>
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
Don't use Sendmail. Use
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
Sendmail has glitches and security issues.
---
On 5/8/01 9:49 PM, "David Casamento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having a problem with one of my mailing lists sending out up to 130
> copies of the mail same mail to each recipient. Other mailing lists on the
> same server have no problem at all and I have looked into the problem and
> can
On 5/8/01 5:18 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I were to go for a first order attempt at reliability/scalability
> I'd be tempted to do something like
> Outbound list mail is not delivered to the local MTA but to a set
> of remote MTAs hidden behind a DNS round robin
The prob
Hi,
I am having a problem with one of my mailing lists sending out up to 130
copies of the mail same mail to each recipient. Other mailing lists on the
same server have no problem at all and I have looked into the problem and
can not see why it is happening.
One thing i have noticed is that i
On 5/8/01 5:26 PM, "Ashley M. Kirchner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Generally, two to six at the most.
A few things to check...
Make sure your batch size is small:
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10
Set your qrunner proc to live longer, and extend the lock life:
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(10)
QRUNNER
On 5/8/01 5:02 PM, "Ashley M. Kirchner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a) NFS
I wouldn't even try.
> or b) If mailman has a way of sending a signal out when something changes on
> the .db files
No, it doesn't. Doesn't necessarily need to.
> What comes to mind with this last option tho
Actually it does present a problem because this is the error it generates:
May 08 18:26:01 2001 qrunner(7593): Traceback (most recent call last):
May 08 18:26:01 2001 qrunner(7593): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
278, in ?
May 08 18:26:01 2001 qrunner(7593): kids = main(lock)
May
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Load balancing. I prefer having one server running mailman and having all
> the lists on it, however this means that machine will also get hit pretty hard
> when several lists get to receive/send messages.
Most of the pain is in sending the mes
Joe Morris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something that sounded like:
> 4. Rerun check_perms and it finds 11 problems all related to files that
> are not set-gid. Why did it return differently this time after I set the
> owner of all files to mailman?!?
Because for security purposes the OS removes t
> For some reason, the config.db file of the list previously in question keeps
> being set to an ownership of 'nobody'. help?
The web server writes it. This is not a problem, because it's owned
by group mailman, and write permissions are granted to group mailman.
-
For some reason, the config.db file of the list previously in question keeps
being set to an ownership of 'nobody'. help?
Tib
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
I found the problem and was able to solve it:
when I ran the arch command to import the old archives of the list that got
moved to my machine, I ran it as root - and it set all the rwx permissions
correctly, but failed to set the ownership settings correctly (owned by root
rather than owned by ma
[Sorry for the horrible spelling mistakes on the first try there]
Thanks for the quick fix for the bug found in one of the Python scripts.
I downloaded the new tarball and have run into numerous problems.
1. All files installed using "make install" are set as owner root. Is
that right? Config
Thanks for the quick fix for the bug found in one of the Python scripts.
I downloaded the new tarball and have run into numeours problems.
1. All files installed usring "make install" as root. Is that right?
Configure picks up the mailman ID and I'm not overrriding it or anything
like that.
2.
Hi,
I'm installing Mailman from the tarball off of list.org and am having
trouble getting the URL http://www.deangelus.com/mailman/admin/test to work.
"Test" is the name of a test list I created with ./newlist.
RH7.1's disto of Apache runs with the group set to apache (user id nubmber
48). I di
Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> And your average delay in delivery is -- how long?
Generally, two to six at the most. If I don't clean out the queue because of
nasty remote servers not working properly, it can go into a day or two. That's
generally when I'll get a phone call because someone hasn
On Tue, 08 May 2001 17:10:06 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/8/01 5:01 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Good distinction. I still use the default Mailman footer that
>> points to the list page.
> I've decided the default footer isn't quite good enough.
On Tue, 08 May 2001 17:55:21 -0600
Ashley M Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>> And services like yahoo have programmers on staff to write this
>> stuff, and admins on staff to manage it, and budgets for the
>> hardware, and...
> Something I don't have. :) That's wh
On 5/8/01 5:01 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good distinction. I still use the default Mailman footer that
> points to the list page.
I've decided the default footer isn't quite good enough. And the default
mailman digest header is bad -- I've gotten any number of complaints a
On 5/8/01 5:02 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Especially if they're MY buns. It'd scar some people for life...
>
> I thought I mentioned that _MY_ universe was not capable of
> supporting such concepts. Yeesh.
Heh. If you want to scare the children, you can go to www.chuqui.c
On 5/8/01 4:55 PM, "Ashley M. Kirchner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Something I don't have. :) That's why I'm trying to go as light as I can,
> with
> currently (working) software.
Well, when you have more stuff, you have more complexity. Someone has to
build it and maintain it.
> Right n
On Tue, 08 May 2001 16:57:11 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And while I understand there are certain circumstances wher ethis
> might be reasonable (for instance, one of my list servers managers
> department lists which are mandatory subscriptions), in general, I
> have to a
Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> Trying to keep the subscriber databases in sync across machines is going to
> be problematic.
Tow things I can think off of the top of my head, one being the easiest
(maybe).
a) NFS
or b) If mailman has a way of sending a signal out when something change
On Tue, 08 May 2001 16:55:49 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/8/01 4:35 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Chuq (official hard-ass of the 2002 summer olympics)
>> The concept of spandex covered buns at an athletic avent
> Especially if they're MY buns. It'
On Tue, 08 May 2001 16:54:59 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/8/01 4:27 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very
>>> least, be configurable.
>> This has been a point of contention on the list and elsew
> John David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing?
>
> Currently there is no direct support for this.
And while I understand there are certain circumstances wher ethis might be
reasonable (for instance, one of my list servers managers department
Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> And services like yahoo have programmers on staff to write this stuff, and
> admins on staff to manage it, and budgets for the hardware, and...
Something I don't have. :) That's why I'm trying to go as light as I can, with
currently (working) software.
> How big
On 5/8/01 4:35 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Chuq (official hard-ass of the 2002 summer olympics)
>
> The concept of spandex covered buns at an athletic avent
Especially if they're MY buns. It'd scar some people for life...
-
On 5/8/01 4:27 PM, "J C Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very
>> least, be configurable.
>
> This has been a point of contention on the list and elsewhere. I
> disagree.
I'll take a middle ground. If he really feels this is how th
On Tue, 8 May 2001 16:48:32 -0400
Robert Clayton wrote:
> Here is the address of the RFC list that pertains to structure and
> such. Fair warning though. Have lots of coffee ready.
> www.imc.org/rfcs.html#rfc822
RFC 822 has been replaced by RFC 2822.
--
J C Lawrence
On Tue, 08 May 2001 15:13:57 -0500
Bill Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The bottom line is, like the original poster of this thread, I
> want these headers to go away. Unfortunately, I haven't been able
> to find where they are coming from. If someone could simply tell
> me what I need to
On Tue, 08 May 2001 13:16:12 -0700
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chuq (official hard-ass of the 2002 summer olympics)
The concept of spandex covered buns at an athletic avent for SysAdms
would appear to violate several basic tenets of the physical
universe -- well, at least in m
On Tue, 08 May 2001 15:21:27 -0500
Bill Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 12:47 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>> You should have made those comments to the standards
>> committee. The RFC is the RFC.
> What RFC? If you have a cite for an RFC which says that Mailman
> must add 1
On 5/8/01 4:01 PM, "Ashley M. Kirchner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Before we start building this beast -- why?
>
> Load balancing.
I figured, but I wanted to make sure.
> I prefer having one server running mailman and having all
> the lists on it, however this means that machine will also
On Tue, 08 May 2001 14:12:52 -0500
Bill Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 12:01 PM 5/8/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > How should I remove these (excessive headers) on each post?
>> makes my message long.
>>
>> You would be generally ill advised to remove any of them.
> Why?
Th
On Tue, 08 May 2001 14:27:33 -0500
John David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing? I know you can
> monitor subscriptions, but i did not see anything about monitoring
> unsubscribing. Thanks for the help.
Currently there is no direct support for
At 2001-05-08 14:55 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>On 5/8/01 1:48 PM, "Clayton, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Here is the address of the RFC list that pertains to structure and
> > such. Fair warning though. Have lots of coffee ready.
> >
> > www.imc.org/rfcs.html#rfc822
>
>Except
Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> Before we start building this beast -- why?
Load balancing. I prefer having one server running mailman and having all
the lists on it, however this means that machine will also get hit pretty hard
when several lists get to receive/send messages. Having a cluster o
On 5/8/01 3:32 PM, "Ashley M. Kirchner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I want to setup multiple servers running (the same) mailman lists.
Before we start building this beast -- why?
Trying to keep the subscriber databases in sync across machines is going to
be problematic. Before we build i
I want to setup multiple servers running (the same) mailman lists.
The ways I can think of doing this is either:
Option 1:
Setup a master machine with everything on it and export the
mailman structure for NFS so the other machines can mount it,
and use it.
Pr
At 01:33 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
>Someone posted a hack to remove the headers a while ago. Search the list
>if you're interested.
OK, I found a reference to this in the archive, and located the spot to
hack the code. On my first look I didn't grep deep enough into the
distribution.
On 5/8/01 1:48 PM, "Clayton, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is the address of the RFC list that pertains to structure and such.
> Fair warning though. Have lots of coffee ready.
>
> www.imc.org/rfcs.html#rfc822
Except that's not the RFC involing list-id and list* headers. And RFC
On 5/8/01 1:21 PM, "Bill Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 12:47 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>> You should have made those comments to the standards committee. The RFC is
>> the RFC.
>
> What RFC?
2369.
>> (hint: any DECENT mail client can be configured to show or hide he
> > Yes, I know about the TabooHeaders settings for Eudora, but
> most of my list
> > readers don't, and they are probably using some M$ junk to read mail
> > anyway, and they don't care about things like TabooHeaders
> in any case.
> None of the MS Clients (at least that I've used) show these h
Nope, no stale locks. It was having problems like that before, so I deleted the
list (saved the config file) and recreated the list, imported the config file,
and ran the arch command to reindex the archives - which got me to where I am
now. The mail goes to the list just fine, but the archives wo
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Bill Warner wrote:
> Yes, I know about the TabooHeaders settings for Eudora, but most of my list
> readers don't, and they are probably using some M$ junk to read mail
> anyway, and they don't care about things like TabooHeaders in any case.
None of the MS Clients (at least th
Here is the address of the RFC list that pertains to structure and such.
Fair warning though. Have lots of coffee ready.
www.imc.org/rfcs.html#rfc822
--
Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ma
At 2001-05-08 15:13 -0500, Bill Warner wrote:
>At 12:42 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
>>ref. Eudora .ini Settings TabooHeaders
>
>Yes, I know about the TabooHeaders settings for Eudora, but most of my
>list readers don't, and they are probably using some M$ junk to read mail
>anyway, and th
Finally, logic prevails!
If I as a lay person can figure out how to remove them, then anyone should be able to.
I am far from a programmer.
-Original Message-
From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 12:47 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>You should have made those comments to the standards committee. The RFC is
>the RFC.
What RFC? If you have a cite for an RFC which says that Mailman must add
10 lines worth of headers to every message it sends I'd be delighted to
read it.
>(h
At 12:42 PM 5/8/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
>ref. Eudora .ini Settings TabooHeaders
Hello Mike,
Yes, I know about the TabooHeaders settings for Eudora, but most of my list
readers don't, and they are probably using some M$ junk to read mail
anyway, and they don't care about things like TabooHe
On 5/8/01 12:50 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The List-headers are RFC-compliant. Footers are not.
>
> What RFC says that footers are not allowed?
You know, we have this same argument every few weeks. Barry, can the
FAQ/INSTALL/README/etc be updated with a comment about
I also don't see any extreme headers flowing through my system. I have an extensive
list server that is looking fine.
Which mail program are you using that shows a large header?
-Original Message-
From: Satya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:30 PM
To: [EMAIL P
On May 8, 2001 at 15:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 12:59:58AM +0530, Satya wrote:
>> The List-headers are RFC-compliant. Footers are not.
>
>What RFC says that footers are not allowed?
Too sleepy. Meant that footers are not recommended/mandated in the
same way as the List
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > The List-headers are RFC-compliant. Footers are not.
>
> What RFC says that footers are not allowed?
No one said footers are not allowed. Read what was said. Footers aren't RFC
compliant, that doesn't mean they're not allowed. List-headers on the other hand
ne
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 12:59:58AM +0530, Satya wrote:
> On May 8, 2001 at 14:12, Bill Warner wrote:
>
> >Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least,
> >be configurable. If I want my list message to carry this info I can
> >already put it in the footers. Why sho
On 5/8/01 12:12 PM, "Bill Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least,
> be configurable. If I want my list message to carry this info I can
> already put it in the footers. Why should I force everyone to scroll past
> a page
At 2001-05-08 14:12 -0500, Bill Warner wrote:
>At 12:01 PM 5/8/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > How should I remove these (excessive headers) on each post? makes my
>> > message long.
>>
>>You would be generally ill advised to remove any of them.
>
>Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excess
On May 8, 2001 at 14:12, Bill Warner wrote:
>Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least,
>be configurable. If I want my list message to carry this info I can
>already put it in the footers. Why should I force everyone to scroll past
>a page long list of headers
Title: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Sender Info
-Original Message-
From: Sarah K. Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> until the monthly reminder is sent out on the first of the month.
> Every outgoing message indicates the "Sender" is the same list-owner,
> regardless of which
Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing? I know you can monitor
subscriptions, but i did not see anything about monitoring unsubscribing.
Thanks for the help.
John David Cole
University of Tennessee
Health Science Center
Computing & Telecommunications
(901)448-5848
---
At 12:01 PM 5/8/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > How should I remove these (excessive headers) on each post? makes my
> message long.
>
>You would be generally ill advised to remove any of them.
Why? IMO, the List-* headers are excessive and should, at the very least,
be configurable.
On Tue, 08 May 2001 21:06:36 +0900
ISO-2022-JP wrote:
> Is there any way to manually process the pending request from
> command line?
Delete the relevant files from ~mailman/data/
--
J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-(*) h
Hi
Is there a way to translate the messeges ppl get when the get
automated mail from the listserver. like the password reminder, the
wellcome note etc. There in english but most my users are danish so
it would be great if u could localize it.
/Thomas
--
Thomas von Hassel
Web4Business ApS
Paghs A
HI,
Suddenly I'm getting this mail ..
Traceback (innermost last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
im
Hello. My web host provides Mailman, which worked fine until a few weeks
ago when the list info and admin pages suddenly stopped working. The
lists themselves still work fine, and subscriptions can be done via email.
But the major web interface is just gone. Does anyone have any tips I
could pa
alex wetmore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something that sounded like:
> http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html is one solution, and there is a
> link to demime at the bottom of the page. Someone also recently checked
> in patches for Mailman that does the same thing, so hopefully that will
> appe
The welcome message when a user is joined to a mailman list includes URL's for
removeing/manageing their list description. But since I don't have a web server
I can't provide public access to these pages, I just want to use the e-mail
subscribe/unsubscribe functionality. Is there a way to disab
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Satya wrote:
> On May 6, 2001 at 09:42, Bruce Thomas wrote:
> >I am wondering if there is a method to automatically strip attachments from
> >messages received by the list prior to sending the message out to the list
>
> I hear there's something called demime out there.
http:/
Hi all,
I've been in trouble with MailMan Web Interface. Actually its
not a problem of MailMan but of a stupid mail server that
spammed us thousands of craps repeatedly.
As a result, we have over 3000 pending request to process
left and I cannot open the "Tend to pending administrative
reques
On May 6, 2001 at 09:42, Bruce Thomas wrote:
>I am wondering if there is a method to automatically strip attachments from
>messages received by the list prior to sending the message out to the list
I hear there's something called demime out there.
--
Satya. http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bou
On May 5, 2001 at 20:36, Thomas von Hassel wrote:
>f45IM6015850: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Cannot mail
>directly to programs
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post tollerlist"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post tollerlist"
--
Satya. http://satya.virtual
[posted and mailed]
On May 7, 2001 at 14:04, David Jacobson wrote:
>I've setup mailman after hours of work (modifying etc). Now I need
>it so I can subscribe clients _without_ a password, when I click on
>the mass subscribe and put a few people in then I try and
>unsubscribe it requires a passw
On May 4, 2001 at 13:15, Troy Heber wrote:
>http://mysite/mailman/listinfo/ --- Everything is fine
Your resolver probably sees this as a local page?
>http://mysite.mydomain.com/listinfo/ -- The page comes up but there are no
>lists!
Perhaps this option (under privacy options on each list's
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