On 16 Sep 2011, at 08:50, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> It's worth noting that Wordpress was at least initially perceived to
> be a 'free' answer to, then dominating, Perl based MovableType.
> MovableType is now GPL
> (https://github.com/movabletype/movabletype/blob/master/COPYING) - so
> why it did n
On 21 September 2011 00:52, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> I looked at Handel a few years ago; does anyone have any current
> experience with it?
I had a look at it about 16 months ago and neither it nor mango (which
is a fork of it) have been updated or can be "dropped in" as
e-commerce applic
I looked at Handel a few years ago; does anyone have any current
experience with it?
>
> > > Catalyst is a good start. It really is. Now I want to see Dancer and
> > > Mojolicious get going as they target different types of developers
> > Well that's good to know ... but how do any of these install on a shared
> > hosting setup?
>
>
http://docs.dotcloud.com/services/perl/
Shared-k
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43:21AM +0100, 'lesleyb' wrote:
> > I may be wrong but I thought Python created PSGI specifically because
> > mod_python was so not working well on Apache. So they thought, screw
> > catering to one server, we should work well with all of them.
> >
> When I look up PSGI
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43:21AM +0100, 'lesleyb' wrote:
> > but a Perly Drupal would need a *lot* of people.
> and that doesn't appear to be the CPAN/Perl model, of which I've gained an
> impression of a lot of individuals solving problems they encounter at a
> generiic level and then offering
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 04:18:50PM +0200, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 03:54:38PM +0200, Richard Foley wrote:
> > I think you've hit the nail on the head, Mallory, "where are the
> > Wordpresses,
> > the Drupals, the Joomlas?..." indeed. It's easy to sneer at "just som
On 16 Sep 2011, at 08:50, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> It's worth noting that Wordpress was at least initially perceived to
> be a 'free' answer to, then dominating, Perl based MovableType.
> MovableType is now GPL
> (https://github.com/movabletype/movabletype/blob/master/COPYING) - so
> why it did
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 09:50:37AM +0200, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> It's worth noting that Wordpress was at least initially perceived to
> be a 'free' answer to, then dominating, Perl based MovableType.
> MovableType is now GPL
> (https://github.com/movabletype/movabletype/blob/master/COPYING) - s
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 08:23:26PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
> I am not an expert in this area but it seems to me that you are
> looking at one particular aspect of one segment of the "e-commerce"
> market and extrapolating far too much from that. Some hypotheses have
> already been advanced as to
It's worth noting that Wordpress was at least initially perceived to
be a 'free' answer to, then dominating, Perl based MovableType.
MovableType is now GPL
(https://github.com/movabletype/movabletype/blob/master/COPYING) - so
why it did not gain back at least some of Wordpress popularity?
Shared ho
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 08:23:26PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
> On 14 September 2011 10:11, Mallory van Achterberg
> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I was looking around at popular e-commerce setups like Magento
> > and Zend Cart. And I realised most of these are PHP based, for
> > whatever reason.
> >
>
On 14 September 2011 10:11, Mallory van Achterberg
wrote:
> Hello all,
> I was looking around at popular e-commerce setups like Magento
> and Zend Cart. And I realised most of these are PHP based, for
> whatever reason.
>
> Is there a (decent, maintained) Perl-based e-commerce platform
> out there
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 03:54:38PM +0200, Richard Foley wrote:
> I think you've hit the nail on the head, Mallory, "where are the Wordpresses,
> the Drupals, the Joomlas?..." indeed. It's easy to sneer at "just some web
> thingy", but actually it's quite hard to make something both flexible and
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 02:49:16PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> [Donate here: https://secure.donor.com/pf012/give
> Evil page "source" prevents me from even finding out if there's a way to
> anchor to the "Perl 5 Core" section, which is below the fold]
>
> Nicholas Clark
Not sure what you mea
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 02:03:14PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 08:14:03PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
> > PHP solved the problem of making web-based applications easy to install.
> > Something that all the 'big brains' of Perl still haven't solved. Ease of
> > installation
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Mallory, "where are the Wordpresses,
the Drupals, the Joomlas?..." indeed. It's easy to sneer at "just some web
thingy", but actually it's quite hard to make something both flexible and
robust and performant and maintainable. From what I've seen of Cata
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 08:14:03PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
[...]
> I refer the honourable gentleman to Matt's Script Archive. It's easy to
> write crappy code in any language.
Sure, but that's not an interesting assertion. It's more useful to ask how
easy it is to write good good in a given lan
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:36:23PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> Imagine a graphic designer who designs sites for customers and can cope with
> FTPing some PHP files to a server and hacking a bit on the code - but not
> much more.
> Probably doesn't know how to use ssh or Unix shell commands.
Grap
Ouch!
Ciao
Richard
--
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than AufWiederSehen!
http://www.rfi.net/books.html
> On 14 September 2011 19:47, Andrew Suffield
wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:36:23PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> >> That's why PHP is used
> >
> > PHP is a thorough and effective s
No, not at all. They're completely and utterly different codebases. They're
about as efficient as each other though...
(Magento has *7* cache levels to cover things from loading hundreds of xml
documents on every request to avoiding rendering where possible because
everything through and throug
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:48:06PM +0100, James Laver wrote:
> ZenCart is a fork of OSCommerce that does not fix the horrible security
> holes. Don't use either of these.
Isn't Magento as well? (a fork of OS Commerce)
-Mallory
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 10:37 +0100, James Laver wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2011, at 10:11, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
>
> > Is there a (decent, maintained) Perl-based e-commerce platform
> > out there?
>
> No.
>
> However, I do have a private project going on to create
> "Simon" == Simon Wilcox writes:
Simon> PHP solved the problem of making web-based applications easy to
Simon> install. Something that all the 'big brains' of Perl still
Simon> haven't solved. Ease of installation leads to ease of
Simon> adoption. Hence why PHP has hammered Perl into the gro
On 14 September 2011 19:47, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:36:23PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
>> That's why PHP is used
>
> PHP is a thorough and effective solution to the following problem,
> which is also its main design goal:
>
> How can stupid people create poor-quality w
On 14/09/11 20:42, Nicholas Clark wrote:
I'm not convinced that their language design is sane
...[snipped fairly agree-able list of php's flaws]
On the other hand, they have managed to implement a "class" keyword. And
exceptions.
--
Richard Huxton
Archonet Ltd
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 08:14:03PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
> On 14/09/2011 19:47, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> >PHP is a thorough and effective solution to the following problem,
> >which is also its main design goal:
> >
> >How can stupid people create poor-quality web sites cheaply?
> >
> >Turns o
On 14/09/2011 19:47, Andrew Suffield wrote:
PHP is a thorough and effective solution to the following problem,
which is also its main design goal:
How can stupid people create poor-quality web sites cheaply?
Turns out this is in high demand, due to the large quantity of both
those things in the
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:47, Andrew Suffield
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:36:23PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
>> That's why PHP is used
>
> PHP is a thorough and effective solution to the following problem,
> which is also its main design goal:
>
> How can stupid people create poor-qualit
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:36:23PM +0100, Peter Edwards wrote:
> That's why PHP is used
PHP is a thorough and effective solution to the following problem,
which is also its main design goal:
How can stupid people create poor-quality web sites cheaply?
Turns out this is in high demand, due to the
>
> ZenCart is a fork of OSCommerce that does not fix the horrible security
> holes. Don't use either of these.
>
> I tend to assume any PHP site is going be insecure unless proven otherwise
:-D
I won't repeat conversations I've had with small business owners about why
they should pay a bit more f
On 14 Sep 2011, at 12:26, Peter Edwards wrote:
> I'll echo what James says here.
> For a free software cart frontend use a PHP cart like ZenCart and
> OSCommerce, the Perl solutions aren't fully featured enough IME.
ZenCart is a fork of OSCommerce that does not fix the horrible security holes.
D
On 14 Sep 2011, at 12:20, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
> Yes, I actually got acquainted with Firebug solely for dealing with
> Magento front-end. And the reliance on Javascript to do things that
> belong to HTML, CSS and the server was gross.
>
> Yet people use it.
Ah, you've shared that pain.
On 14 Sep 2011, at 12:20, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
>
> My question isn't because I'm personally looking for a shopping
> cart to use myself, or for a client (at least, not yet). My question
> is because, I see it as another reason web developers don't even
> consider Perl for these things. W
On 14 September 2011 12:20, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
> My question isn't because I'm personally looking for a shopping
> cart to use myself, or for a client (at least, not yet). My question
> is because, I see it as another reason web developers don't even
> consider Perl for these things. W
eful and I never
> want to work with it again.
>
> > Can someone point me to a site or resource that really compares
> > Perl e-commerce packages to these popular PHP ones? Something
> > that describes all that they come with and what merchants can and
> > cannot do with the
ble and
> hateful and I never want to work with it again.
Yes, I actually got acquainted with Firebug solely for dealing with
Magento front-end. And the reliance on Javascript to do things that
belong to HTML, CSS and the server was gross.
Yet people use it.
> > Can someone point
pain in the arse, let alone extending it. I ask for
danger money to work with it and even still I get fed up of recruiters calling
offering nearly-danger-money. It's horrible and hateful and I never want to
work with it again.
> Can someone point me to a site or resource that really compar
a user) what all comes with that.
>
> Can someone point me to a site or resource that really compares
> Perl e-commerce packages to these popular PHP ones? Something
> that describes all that they come with and what merchants can and
> cannot do with them, without having to actua
n.
I can find plenty of, for example, shops running Magento and I can
see (as a user) what all comes with that.
Can someone point me to a site or resource that really compares
Perl e-commerce packages to these popular PHP ones? Something
that describes all that they come with and what merchants ca
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