Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread hermann pitton
Am Freitag, den 19.03.2010, 12:04 -0700 schrieb VDR User: > Keeping v4l1 because some guys are still using some ancient setup is > not a good reason. Keeping v4l1 because some app devs still haven't > bothered to update their apps is not a good reason, especially given > the amount of time they'v

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
David Ellingsworth wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab > wrote: >> David Ellingsworth wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab >>> wrote: The V4L1 drivers that lasts are the ones without maintainers and probably without a large

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Hans de Goede wrote: >> 3) The removal of V4L1 means that the existing applications should not >> try to include >> videodev.h with newer kernels or their compilations will break (easy >> to fix, but better >> to remind application developers that may be reading this thread). >> Also, the removal

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 03/19/2010 02:01 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. The deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July 2009. As reference, this is what's written there: What: Video

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 03/19/2010 04:49 PM, David Ellingsworth wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: The V4L1 drivers that lasts are the ones without maintainers and probably without a large users base. So, basically legacy hardware. So, their removals make sense. In many

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread VDR User
Keeping v4l1 because some guys are still using some ancient setup is not a good reason. Keeping v4l1 because some app devs still haven't bothered to update their apps is not a good reason, especially given the amount of time they've had to complete this task. Keeping v4l1 because package maintain

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 03/19/2010 09:46 AM, Hans Verkuil wrote: On Friday 19 March 2010 08:59:08 Hans Verkuil wrote: Hi all, V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. The deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July 2009. I think it is time that we remove

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Devin Heitmueller
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:00 PM, David Ellingsworth wrote: > Yes it is an old camera, but that does not mean there aren't people > out there who still own cameras which would otherwise be usable if the > driver worked. And sure people could just buy another camera.. but why > replace hardware that

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread David Ellingsworth
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > David Ellingsworth wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab >> wrote: >>> The V4L1 drivers that lasts are the ones without maintainers and probably >>> without >>> a large users base. So, basically legacy har

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
David Ellingsworth wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab > wrote: >> The V4L1 drivers that lasts are the ones without maintainers and probably >> without >> a large users base. So, basically legacy hardware. So, their removals make >> sense. >> > > In many ways the abo

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread David Ellingsworth
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > The V4L1 drivers that lasts are the ones without maintainers and probably > without > a large users base. So, basically legacy hardware. So, their removals make > sense. > In many ways the above statement is a catch 22. Most, if no

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Andy Walls
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:46 +0100, Hans Verkuil wrote: > > On Friday 19 March 2010 08:59:08 Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. > >> The > >> deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July > >> 2009.

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Hans Verkuil wrote: >> Do we still have V4L1-only drivers that use videobuf ? > > No V4L1-only drivers use videobuf, but videobuf has support for the V4L1 > compat support in V4L2 drivers (the cgmbuf ioctl). So when we remove the > compat support, then that videobuf code can be removed as well.

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Hans Verkuil wrote: > Hi all, > > V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. The > deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July 2009. As reference, this is what's written there: What: Video4Linux API 1 ioctls and from Video devices. When: Ju

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Markus Rechberger
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> On Friday 19 March 2010 08:59:08 Hans Verkuil wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. >>> The >>> deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July >>> 2009. >>> >>

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Laurent Pinchart
On Friday 19 March 2010 09:46:02 Hans Verkuil wrote: > > On Friday 19 March 2010 08:59:08 Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. > >> The deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July > >> 2009. > >>

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Hans Verkuil
> On Friday 19 March 2010 08:59:08 Hans Verkuil wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. >> The >> deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July >> 2009. >> >> I think it is time that we remove the V4L1 compatibility suppo

Re: RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Laurent Pinchart
On Friday 19 March 2010 08:59:08 Hans Verkuil wrote: > Hi all, > > V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. The > deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July 2009. > > I think it is time that we remove the V4L1 compatibility support from V4L2

RFC: Drop V4L1 support in V4L2 drivers

2010-03-19 Thread Hans Verkuil
Hi all, V4L1 support has been marked as scheduled for removal for a long time. The deadline for that in the feature-removal-schedule.txt file was July 2009. I think it is time that we remove the V4L1 compatibility support from V4L2 drivers for 2.6.35. It would help with the videobuf cleanup as w