appens that devs copy over IRC conversations over to Bugzilla.)
And with that Im finished proselytizing. ;)
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Bjoern
[1] And corollary: "But we had a different conclusion about that bug on
telegram." by default is void against whatever is in Bugzilla, if the two
are conf
efined environment anyway, which for OSX and Windows is
LODE.
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(FWIW, GNU make 3.82 was released 2010-07-28: Its older than LibreOffice
itself, and it is trivial to build with older versions of generic POSIX make
including GNU make 3.81.)
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On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does
> all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated
> though (Bjoern)
> [...]
> + eg. a pre-canned
hough:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=QA/Bibisect/Linux&oldid=117634
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ver admins complained about use of disc space, the latter where deleted as
the former can do everything they can.
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On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 06:36:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> AI: + bring patch for Writer regression stat update (Bjoern)
Done: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/28239
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Hi Heiko,
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 06:36:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> * UX Update (Heiko)
> + from:
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html
> + ux-advice: keep it, because many bugs are not
* Present: Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Stephan, Robinson, Christian, Thorsten,
Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Eike, Miklos, Lionel, Olivier, Heiko
* Completed Action Items:
+ fixed with 62c4a8aacf76771e97a8da35096e6ad69a11979a - was: explain the
reason why "make debug=T" doesnt build with symbo
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 05:13:26PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * writer regressions (Bjoern)
>+ since 5.0 no fully triaged, bibisected regression in writer
https://twitter.com/Sweet5hark/status/760830653571170316
>+ if you remove filters & perf. issues down to
commit for two reasons:
- to (mildly) personalize the "happy to see you" mail
- to superficially check for something fishy being sneaked it via a stolen key
and ID
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On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 03:36:07PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + Made some progress on writer regressions (Bjoern)
> + could close some - have commits, but not closed.
+ count is at 6 currently (all severity minor):
+ 2 SimpleWinLayout stil
e. By priority IMHO the remaining
unresolved issues are:
- tdf#94063: critial, all platforms
- tdf#94570, tdf#94449, tdf#97103: non-critical, all platforms
- tdf#95836, tdf#94597, tdf#95194: all caused by same commit, Windows only
- tdf#96716: Windows only
I love TDF to be able to claim
be added, so that i can be
> complete and added to the wiki.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CGhkvqZBg-G_uYJFiNS8-d-P2VjyDE8Z2-rtqM__VG4/edit#
Nitpick here, but: Is there any good reason not to do this on
http://pad.documentfoundation.org/ or on a staging page on th
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 04:52:28PM +, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * Hackfests (Bjoern)
> + next venues / suggestions
> + Ankara, Turkey
> + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
Confirmed date for the weekend now.
B
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:59:16PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> * Hackfests (Bjoern)
> + Turkey
> + talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training.
> + mid-March hack-fest expected.
> + concrete dates ?
>
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:05:39AM +, Pieter Kristensen wrote:
> Great that it works so well on PlayOnLinux. But how about Wine?
PlayOnLinux is an easy install wrapper for wine.
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screencast about this, that might make things even better.
Thanks a lot to Gouchi for the work on this!
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cted regressions allows developer to handle things properly. However,
organizing the response has to happen between the developers (e.g. on the ESC)
as it would be foolish to assume a strictly mechanical handling to be helpful
here.
Best,
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P.S.: If you want to raise visibility to regressions
ess. LibreOffice is already doing
exceptionally long release cycles compared to the rest of the open source
software world.
All of this is being discussed in the linked video, I suggest you watch it.
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ious L3 supporters
of LibreOffice though:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/
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> sudo su - ci
> ./job_stats.pl 7
Awesome, thanks! Where is job_stats.pl hosted under revision control?
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 04:37:28PM +, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * Hackfests (Bjoern)
> + GNOME hack-fest in Madrid - Dec 2nd -> 4th (Jacobo)
> + sent an invitation to LibreOffice deployments in Spain
> + they may need funding to attend.
>
er into blame-gaming and trying to
prove that WE abondoned the bug and not HE/SHE. Since this is intended for bugs
where we assume there wont be any productive data following, I'd think that
would be counterproductive.
Best,
Bjoern
N.B.: The launchpad bug states names provoke the reporter ea
rence between NEEDINFO and
INSUFFICIENT DATA is that one is considered resolved, while the other one isnt
and there is no way to see from the wording that NEEDINFO is the unresolved one
and INSUFFICIENT DATA is the resolved one. Its likely that will lead to
confusion.
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> Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use
> tango.
I have the seal of approval from the Canonical Design Team -- not gonna do
extra rounds beyond that now
Hi Xisco,
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:55:57AM +0100, Xisco Faulí wrote:
> > * Hackfests (Bjoern)
> > + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern)
> I'm currently living in Madrid and I'd like to attempt the meeting. It goes
> without saying that I can
lly depend on Tango? (Jay)
> + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy)
Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0.
There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human
complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the
ultimate fall
olboxs item order RTL sensitive (Bubli)
+ proper scrollwheel handling in TabBar/Sidebar (Bjoern)
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rts by adding
(failing) tests:
>+ writing a test needs some knowledge, couldn't we actually mentor the
> author to do a fix too? (Kendy)
> + can be much harder (Norbert, Bjoern)
Also there might be unstable tests, for which expecting reliable failure is not
what we want (rather
to contribute differently, such work would indeed likely
be much appreciated by all parties involved.
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nouncing the change far and wide
- keeping an eye out for people doing it "the old way" out of habit for at
least half a year
Im not saying its not possible, just that it is much more work and hidden costs
that it might initially appear.
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e" topic.
Yes, the latter is actually pretty much what I had in mind for the ESC
'review'.
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 09:32:06PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> This is for the ESC to both be aware of newly marked important bugs -- and
> also
> to weed out one or another wrongly marked high priority bug. Also, this should
> help us keep the total number of high priori
t take some time: another reason to have a
bug created on bugzilla.
tl;dr: Someone who knows how to file a good bug report should in doubt ~always
file a bug report.
Just my two cents.
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If you have suggestions that make this proposal more likely to be approved a
budget for by the board, please speak up. A very simple way to do so would be
to claim interest in working/implementing such a dashboard if it is approved.
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of high priority bugs both under control and on
the radar.
@Robinson: Can you take that up?
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can build with that (Thorsten)
> + B3 release for Ubuntu has KDE packages (Bjoern)
> + not installed by default; in a PPA
>+ if using Kubuntu will get that pkg
> AI: + for bug hunting -> point at PPA (Robinson)
The ppa in question is:
http
stematically, that would be highly welcome.
this might be something to take up for both bug hunting sessions and as a
MozTrap test scenario.
@Robinson, Sophie: Could you consider incorporating this into prerelease
testing workflows?
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updates, coverity updates, lcov
updates to name a few) personally I think this is getting more important every
day. The Board of the Document Foundation will have to weight its impact
against a lot of other proposals -- many of them excellent -- in the next
'budgeting round'.
Best,
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Hi,
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 01:41:15AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> == Top Twenty regression directories per module ==
The Top Twenty were somewhat misleading as I only looked at the 4 level dirs.
Some of our source is actually only 3 levels deep in the tree, so here is the
update. I a
69.7% ( 3349/ 4802)
Areas in this list with low test coverage might be good candidates for
additional tests as per tdf#66750.
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[1] http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/lcov_reports/master~2014-11-02_22.37.32/
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e last processes hanging around for you
were cppunittesters processes, which should be idlefree.
> Oh ! and - I suspect the ~3x slower dbgutil issue can be fixed with
> this easy hack:
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id
d-level second generation mobile i7 you get
below 400EUR on ebay.
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Hi,
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 02:37:31AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> ... brings 'make check' down to 2m6s on big Bertha. For comparison:
> [...]
> that is, just relinking (most) LibreOffice libs takes 2m26s on that machine
> without symbols (assume more than 10 minute
Hi,
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:40:40PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> And with this I see a lot of processes running parallel till the end. This
> suggests to me that the stuff is quite parallelized -- however none of the
> testing threads seem to be CPU-bound rather the Java-stuff se
x27;make check' -- quite independant of your
hardware, as much of that seems IO-bound idling. If we want to cut down on that
5 minutes, we would need to touch the JunitTest internals.
Best,
Bjoern
[1] As a sidenote: I noted that linking with debug symbols takes at least 4
times as long as with
Hi,
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:36:01PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote:
> > What would work ideally for me is to someone get the subset of all
> > crashes that are ~100% reproducible under Lin
mp;list_id=539730&product=LibreOffice&query_based_on=&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&short_desc=crash&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=bibisected&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr
9 Calc, 4 Writer, 2 Impress, 1 Draw, 1 generic: 17 total
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, otherwise it will
only show up on:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks/lists/by_Required_Skill
in the big "Easy Hacks requiring Uncategorized Skills" list at the end.
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:03:48PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote:
> that sounds reasonable, although setting it to VERIFIED automatically
> seems odd - how about automatically going from either RESOLVED or
> VERIFIED to CLOSED after 2 weeks or a month?
So, I thought:
- bugs go from RESOLVED to
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 07:33:03PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> all bugs(*). One could have a bot setting bugs from RESOLVED to VERIFIED
> though, if there is not objection ("verified by silent approval")
... after the suggested "a month" timeframe, that is
curious what its purpose is.
Well, I guess there is still the case where the author of the fix realizes
her/his work to be incomplete and wants to REOPEN the bug. Admittedly, that
happens not that often.
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om RESOLVED to VERIFIED
though, if there is not objection ("verified by silent approval"). While this
could help making clear that reporters are expected to verify fixes in a timely
manner, it would create quite a lot of extra noise on the
velopment%2FGSoC%2FIdeas&diff=109798&oldid=109797
Please revert/fix/whatever, if my wording is unfortunate.
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n sure, I would have marked them duplicates
myself, instead of asking for bibisecting and crosschecking. ;)
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one could look into that it would be great. (Bibisecting these
might help here: Regressions caused by different commits cant really be
duplicates.)
Once the dupes are sorted out, at least one of these should likely be a MAB, if
only for the dupes count.
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lity that is not always directly
related.
Anyway: As said, not a QA-topic, so not really for this list.
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nt marketing, branding and release
engineering advantages.
This really doesnt belong here, its hardly a QA topic. But maybe DLP projects
should at least consider the thought. Justsaying.
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 07:25:45AM -0700, bfoman wrote:
> Bjoern Michaelsen wrote
> > He/She might reappear possibly though now that this
> > is "our" Bugzilla: e.g. for bug hunting sessions.
>
> Those have hunter walrus
> (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/i
ote hinting at what should be obvious:
If we modify anything, that stuff needs to be in git on gerrit. No exceptions.
With the usual $foo: LICENSE, README explaining how that stuff is deployed etc.
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fice. Also note that all customization cumulates to create extra pains
during updates etc. IMHO we should just keep in mind to keep the fixed costs
of running our Bugzilla constant and rather low[1].
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[1] For example that we ended up with a Redmine/Bugzilla split (which is
already a si
ggestions _if_ they are reasonably ressourced, or
the reporter commits him/herself to it is of course great. But that has to
happen on Redmine.
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my
Roomba. However, "Ginni" and "Samuel" might be options still.
As written elsewhere I expect lab walrus to be removed soon as the migration is
over and went rather well. He/She might reappear possibly though now that this
is "our" Bugzilla: e.g. for bug hunting s
; was suggested to make people more
confident about using it: If a bug as reported on OSX and you confirm it on
Linux, you can safely say it affects multiple platforms, but you cannot be
absolutely certain it affects 'all' platform. Thus 'multiple' instead of 'all'
might m
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 08:17:47PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> Suggestion:
> 1/ Rename "all" to "multiple" (as that is less ambiguous in cases were a bug
>was shown to happen on e.g. Linux and OSX: triagers might be reluctant to
>use "all&qu
nly on one platform
- is known to happen on at least two platforms
- was only tested on one platform for now
c/ we dont care much about making a difference between "known to happen on each
and every platform there is" and the more general "happens on more than
it might make
sense to close the bug as WONTFIX, if there is no proper solution, and
reverting the guilty commit would bring back bigger issues.
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On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 04:37:07PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
> Suggestions to get around this welcome.
Hmm, yeah. For now, I just linked between the two pages, hopeful that this
would limit possible confusion.
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figure out, this is just an opinion
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On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:13:57PM +0100, Robert Großkopf wrote:
> Hi Bjoern,
>
> >
> > True. In the end a fully triaged (aka a bug that a QA guys can do nothing
> > more
> > about and that only can be moved forward by a developer) is either:
> >
> >
uggest maybe a whiteboard status "newfeaturebug" for this. Opinions?
Best,
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P.S.: Note there is some wiggle room in distingushing group 2/ and 3/. IMHO if
a developer of a feature says its group 2/ (aka that it was not in the planned
scope of the new feature) that should be accepted
eople in the priority field -- the
fear of people making bugs priority highest willy-nilly (and for some reason
not doing so with MABs) seems rather baseless. Thus I think we could kill MABs
right now and use priority proper today, if we want to.
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o enter stuff in MozTrap likely earns us just a few groans
mumbling "yet another login/account".
Speaking of that: If people come forward during the ESC call with stuff done
for 4.4 we should just put that in the minutes -- we can copy it over to the
Wiki/Moz
tps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4
so that marketing can use it too and e.g. prepare cute screenshots.
@Michael: Can we add that reminder for the next ESC call too?
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 02:34:36PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> it should be finished in ~1 hour.
Completed and added to the wiki:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=QA%2FHowToBibisect&diff=104301&oldid=104300
Happy testing!
Be
Hi all,
I am currently uploading the intermediate LibreOffice 4.4~alpha2 bibisect repo
to:
http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect/bibisect-44alpha2only.tar.xz
http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect/bibisect-44alpha2only.tar.xz.sig
it should be finished in ~1 hour. Note the
bibisect repositories, could you put a
fat red warning note on:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions
temporary during the downtime (best with a link to your announce mail)?
Thanks.
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new contributor and too many comments (esp. over 10 comments and automated
ones) are quite a demotivating turn-off.
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win. Which would
be all kinds of awesome for the Windows devs, I guess.
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Just my two cents.
Indeed, this can wait a few more weeks for the migration.
OTOH, just thinking aloud: _After_ the migration, doing such a reping might be
a cunning way to get people into reactivating their accounts on our own
bugtracker
...
Best,
Bjoern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern)
> + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over
> + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern)
> + Bjoern can do that at
t definitively need a hint like:
"Regardless of what you find in newer versions, the VERSION fields should stay
at the _first_ version that showed the buggy behaviour."
Otherwise this will create more work than it will remove. ;)
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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> + need a bugzilla query for the bugs that have been bisected to a single
> commit (Miklos)
> AI + can do that (Bjoern)
> + we have a keyword "bisected", can use that for thos
update is already building, I hope I can upload it still
before travelling.
Beyond that: Volunteers welcome, Im handing this over to Robinson for the 4.4
beta anyway -- after the Bugzilla migration, which currently has priority for
Robinson.
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tahl once ranted about the old LibreOffice 3.5 build as they linked
against a system libjpeg, but that was never affected the build after that. If
anyone is volunteering to rebuild LibreOffice 3.5 without libjpeg, you are
invited as Michael never did that[1]. ;)
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[1] Which is even
here:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOffice&datasets=UNCONFIRMED
even better: as csv (attached)
Best,
Bjoern
Date\Series,"libreoffice-unconfirmed"
2013-08-02,984
2013-08-03,
2013-08-04,
2013-08-05,
2013-08-06,
2013-08-07,
2013-08-08,
201
d. After
all, we all know that the motivation to write a test drops even harder once
there is a fix as "this is not a problem anymore".
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a in Redmine ? (Bjoern)
> + could we merge those & close the project ?
> AI: + move the data across to infra / bugzilla (Bjoern)
> + easy to do now - only 10x tasks or so.
Done now, project QA on RedMine is empty, most of the stuf
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + Bjoern re-introduced mergelibs for 4.3.2
> + enabled for 4.3.1 without a patch, we need
> other libs in mergelibs to avoid circular deps.
> + some interesting bug reports
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
> [ writing it right now ]
done: http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/killing-the-npapi-plugin/
Best,
gen.sh --enable-gstreamer --disable-gstreamer-0-10
to use the less horribly outdated gstreamer 1.0 instead of gstreamer 0.10 (as
Ubuntu
packages do).
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her with e.g. greasemonkey or
own-bugzilla), because as important as this is, I personally guess I will not
look for the wikipage everytime for a drive-by confirm.
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Bjoern
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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 06:33:37PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> * commit access confusion:
whops, missed this link relevant to the topic and branch reviews here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches
Best,
Bjoern
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mazon marketplace Ubuntu 14.04 base,
using a community version for upcoming events, which is more
freely distributable
* Pending Action Items:
+ ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?) (Astron)
+ blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
+ open-source
n.org/User:Drew/baseQA_VM>.
FWIW, I am trying to reserve some TDF funding for something along those lines
right now. Money is likely the easy part of this problem, someone caring and
coordinating the work to set this all up would be great. Would you maybe be
interested in helping out the
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