Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Hi, I do not want to invest too much time into this discussion, because that only hinders me and you all to contribute to the project and to solve the problems. But I strongly disagree with all belittlement of regressions. Although IMHO creation of 3.5.0 has been a good job, it would not be u

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 15. 03. 2012 v 17:40 +: > Hi Petr, all > > > Please, do not take this that we do not take care about > openSUSE/SUSE > users. We do a lot of things for them. It is only about my > packaging > work and about that I underestim

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Ivan Timofeev
On 15.03.2012 20:23, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:04 +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Yep - you're a star ! :-) *timid smile* not a bi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 05:04:44PM +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: > Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some > lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. > ;) Take a good look at the last slide of: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:FilePath

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.5.1 Online Update testing

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro
Wow! Nabble got seriously confused! I was reporting that I had just found out about 3.5.1 RC2 being officially promoted to final by my RC1 parallel install. The message I got was: "LibreOffice 3.5.1 is available. The installed version is LibreOffice 3.5.1." :) -- View this message in context:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.5.1 Online Update testing

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro
Hi Kendy, all Please, is here anybody who can check whether the 3.5.1 Online Update is working? How to test: - install 3.5.1 _RC1_ (for Windows, or other) - trigger Online Update from the Help menu - expe22Neo4j Community Discussions - [Neo4j] Database left in locked state when an exception is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Petr, all Please, do not take this that we do not take care about openSUSE/SUSE > users. We do a lot of things for them. It is only about my packaging > work and about that I underestimated the demand for 3.5. > Actually I was talking about SUSE LibreOffice for Windows (which is apparently a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 15. 03. 2012 v 12:31 +: > But SUSE released version 3.4.2 while TDF is already at 3.5.1. Doesn't > that show a little about the importance of stability? ;) We have had 3.4.4 in the LibreOffice:Stable project for a long time. I have just pushed there 3.4.5 which actually ha

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:04 +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: > Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some > lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Yep - you're a star ! :-) Thanks Ivan ! Michael. -- michael.me.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Pedro Lino wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand the straw-man concept Since that is a common rhetorical tools: "A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Noel Grandin
On 2012-03-15 14:31, Pedro Lino wrote: As a general conclusion I think we are all doing the best given the limited human resources and the scarcity of our most valuable resource: time! It is because we do CARE about this project that we complain about the short testing times AND the regress

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 02:55:30PM +0200, Noel Grandin wrote: > The problem is that open-source developers cannot be motivated to > work 80% on bugs and 20% on features. I dont think that is correct in absolute. I bet there are people out there too, who like to work on bugfixing. Actually I am pre

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Ivan Timofeev
On 15.03.2012 16:55, Noel Grandin wrote: The problem is that open-source developers cannot be motivated to work 80% on bugs and 20% on features. Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Ivan _

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Michael, all I'm looking at another few Windows specific bugs that > are of interest. Particularly with the new drmemory tool and Jesus' > windows / debug builds - we should be able to progress here quickly. > It'd be wonderful if we could get these traces for Windows specific > bugs. > I'm qu

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.4.6 RC2 test builds available

2012-03-15 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Dag Wieers schrieb: So it's hard to quantify what 0 reports means, no regressions or no user-testing ? CU Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoff

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.4.6 RC2 test builds available

2012-03-15 Thread Dag Wieers
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Fridrich Strba schrieb: for 3.4.6 RC2, we're now uploading builds to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab them here: If you've a bit of time, please give them a try& report

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.4.6 RC2 test builds available

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Bjoern Michaelsen píše v St 14. 03. 2012 v 18:38 +0100: > While being open to further concrete proposals for improvement, I dont think > there is a fundamental flaw with the release concept itself. The quality of > 3.5.0 and and 3.5.1 show that the number of regressions in 3.4 were a one-time > out