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> On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Thomas Lübking wrote:
>
>> On Montag, 21. April 2014 23:40:57 CEST, Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
>>
>> ? that is what removing $home does.
>
> You're hopefully not serious about this.
You're hopefully better at conversation in real life than this
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:02:08 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> also again: straw man. I and no one else in this conversation has said that
> opinions may not be expressed, all anyone seems to have done here is
> patiently discuss things with you and ask you to show a modicum of respect
> to those that ac
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:57:51 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> They do. They can be turned off via the UI,
> >Nope.
> >ok, no longer worth having a discussion if you can't muster a better
response than this
I was referring to the UI as is. I'm glad that Vishesh is considering adding
an option for di
Roney Gomes wrote:
> She had nothing else to say since I already explained to you that's not
> possible to uninstall Baloo without breaking KDE entirely. You seemed to
> ignore that.
That's a packaging problem - at least for single user systems. Baloo has
been split in different packages in open
On Montag, 21. April 2014 23:40:57 CEST, Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
? that is what removing $home does.
You're hopefully not serious about this.
Is it "$home" or "$HOME" or %home% or system dependent or does "~" work or do I have to
use "/home/`whoami`" - will it update if I change the homedir a
Em seg 21 abr 2014, às 17:57:51, Nathan Bradshaw escreveu:
> ok, no longer worth having a discussion if you can't muster a better
> response than this
She had nothing else to say since I already explained to you that's not
possible to uninstall Baloo without breaking KDE entirely. You seemed to
On Monday 21 April 2014 16:44:33 Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> yes it can. remove $home and it is turned off. also, Vishesh has already
> said in this thread that he will re-add an enable/disable button to the
> kcm. stating that it can't be turned off is dishonest. Vishesh is writing
> code and releasi
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:51:39 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
>
So you think people aren't allowed to vocalise their
> opinion on the software in KDE?
>
also again: straw man. I and no one else in this conversati
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:51:39 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> > They do. They can be turned off via the UI,
>
> Nope.
>
ok, no longer worth having a discussion if you can't muster a better
response than this
>
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:40:57 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> > If the process has gone haywire to such a degree it needs to be
> deactivated
> > it can be, via the UI as it exists now, with the explicit 'exclude
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:51:39 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> They do. They can be turned off via the UI,
Nope.
> they can uninsltalled.
Nope.
> A distro
> that does not include the package can be selected. The code can be compiled
> without it. The code is available as free software and can be mo
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
>
> > Again, with the straw men. to quote Vishesh's blog "**We** would like to
>
> > promote the use of" (my emphasis). No suggestion except by you
Em seg 21 abr 2014, às 17:25:55, Nathan Bradshaw escreveu:
> and can turn it off, in the UI, in config files, can uninstall it if their
> distro packages accordingly and modify the code themselves, can choose a
> distro that doesn't install it by default There has to be a default;
> you're atta
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:40:57 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> If the process has gone haywire to such a degree it needs to be deactivated
> it can be, via the UI as it exists now, with the explicit 'exclude' option
> that will trigger the same functionality that appears to be being re-added,
> via confi
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> Again, with the straw men. to quote Vishesh's blog "**We** would like to
> promote the use of" (my emphasis). No suggestion except by you that
> this is one person's thinking on the subject.
"I think the more important question for me is
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> > why do you think a checkbox linked to the deactivation functionality
> would
> > be different to it being triggered by removing $home?
>
> Because t
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:18:27 PM Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> > The new KCM has holes in it - I've logged a bug for cases where data can't
> > be indexed due to the blacklist approach. I've got a week off coming up -
> > I'll spend some time writing an alternate KCM myself and see how that
> > works out
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> why do you think a checkbox linked to the deactivation functionality would
> be different to it being triggered by removing $home?
Because the checkbox would be linked to the config option for actually
disabling baloo rather than just remo
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:34:28 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > 781 replies, all asking for the option to disable indexing to be restored,
>
> 78 replies, 26 of which are mine. And not all say the same thing.
Sorry 781 was a typo.
But of the replies not yours, most wanting the option.
--
Lindsay
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:12:20 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > This is a developer list where these things are meant to be discussed.
>
> Yes, keyword here being *discussing*.
>
> Saying "Vishesh is arrogant" is not discussing.
Actually the phrase "Arrogant" was being thrown at me and others fir
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 06:34:45 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:25:31 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> > Vishesh described a perfectly legitimate approach and you're hounding him
> > because your particular corner case was not considered as important as
> > what
> > is considere
El Dilluns, 21 d'abril de 2014, a les 20:49:06, Shantanu Tushar Jha va
escriure:
> Hi fellow devs,
>
> In the latest Kubuntu release, 14.04, Plasma Media Center's primary feature
> - playback of audio and video has stopped working. This is because we link
> to libplasma which in turn links to lib
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:44:33 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> > yes it can. remove $home and it is turned off.
>
> And for a number of people it doesn't. And yes this is a bug, which no
> doubt
> will be fixed. B
El Dilluns, 21 d'abril de 2014, a les 09:20:24, Robby Stephenson va escriure:
> On 4/17/2014 2:19 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > El Dimecres, 16 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:55:50, Robby Stephenson va
escriure:
> >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >>> El Dimarts, 15 d'a
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Lindsay Mathieson
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:44:33 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
>> yes it can. remove $home and it is turned off.
>
> And for a number of people it doesn't. And yes this is a bug, which no doubt
> will be fixed. But this is also why you give peop
El Dimarts, 22 d'abril de 2014, a les 07:02:03, Lindsay Mathieson va escriure:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:44:33 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> > yes it can. remove $home and it is turned off.
>
> And for a number of people it doesn't. And yes this is a bug, which no doubt
> will be fixed. But this is a
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:44:33 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> yes it can. remove $home and it is turned off.
And for a number of people it doesn't. And yes this is a bug, which no doubt
will be fixed. But this is also why you give people options and overrides -
bugs happen and its arrogant to assume
On Monday, April 21, 2014 21:20:49 Vishesh Handa wrote:
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 03:54:34 PM Roney Gomes wrote:
> > Em seg 21 abr 2014, às 20:19:30, Vishesh Handa escreveu:
> > > What's the name of the process? If it's baloo_file_cleaner, then that's
> > > probably cause it's removing all the in
yes it can. remove $home and it is turned off. also, Vishesh has already
said in this thread that he will re-add an enable/disable button to the
kcm. stating that it can't be turned off is dishonest. Vishesh is writing
code and releasing it under a free software license, you are trying to
badger hi
Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
Hello Lindsay,
> Poeple aren't asking for features - they are asking for features to be
> removed that were forced on them.
Given what Vishesh has said (being that this is just turning into stop
energy for him), I would ask you to *re-read* the KDE Code of Conduct (not
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:25:31 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> Vishesh described a perfectly legitimate approach and you're hounding him
> because your particular corner case was not considered as important as what
> is considered the common use cases. The feature is on by default, can be
> turned off th
and your comments are the very opposite of constructive. It is only
possible to do so much as one person or even a small team. Vishesh
described a perfectly legitimate approach and you're hounding him because
your particular corner case was not considered as important as what is
considered the comm
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:14:36 PM Mario Fux wrote:
> I think this is the strong language that some people meant and that's not
> very productive. Nobody was "forced".
? so non developers have an option to use white listing instead of
blacklisting that I'm not aware of?
> It's still free software
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:18:56 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> The way we did stuff for the KCM was to design personas, establish
> use-cases, and then see what amount of configurability best satisfied the
> personas and use- cases we were trying.
The very opposite of consultation. You only created the
Am Montag, 21. April 2014, 21.52:24 schrieb Lindsay Mathieson:
Good morning guys and gals
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:50:08 PM Thom Castermans wrote:
> > you should always ask
> > for a feature *nicely*
>
> Poeple aren't asking for features - they are asking for features to be
> removed that were f
Op dinsdag 22 april 2014 05:52:24 schreef Lindsay Mathieson:
> Poeple aren't asking for features - they are asking for features to be
> removed that were forced on them.
>
> With regards to whitelisting they are asking for a useful feature to be
> restored that was was deliberately removed, with n
On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 05:52:24 AM Lindsay Mathieson wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:50:08 PM Thom Castermans wrote:
> > you should always ask
> > for a feature *nicely*
>
> Poeple aren't asking for features - they are asking for features to be
> removed that were forced on them.
>
> With reg
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:28:36 PM Vishesh Handa wrote:
> > I am currently testing 3.14/trunk and was unplesently surprised there was
> > no way to disable indexing at all. I note, even windows lets you disable
> > its indexing/search services. Forcing it on for users in KDE is not the
> > KDE way.
>
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:50:08 PM Thom Castermans wrote:
> you should always ask
> for a feature *nicely*
Poeple aren't asking for features - they are asking for features to be removed
that were forced on them.
With regards to whitelisting they are asking for a useful feature to be
restored that
On Monday, April 21, 2014 03:54:34 PM Roney Gomes wrote:
> Em seg 21 abr 2014, às 20:19:30, Vishesh Handa escreveu:
> > What's the name of the process? If it's baloo_file_cleaner, then that's
> > probably cause it's removing all the index.
>
> The process is akonadi_baloo_indexer. When I said Balo
Em seg 21 abr 2014, às 20:19:30, Vishesh Handa escreveu:
> What's the name of the process? If it's baloo_file_cleaner, then that's
> probably cause it's removing all the index.
The process is akonadi_baloo_indexer. When I said Baloo is consuming CPU time
I meant to say that it's still being exec
Hello,
I have been following this discussion passively, but I would like to take the
opportunity to say thank you, Vishesh, for all of your hard work. I really
feel like some people are overreacting a bit, or at the very least formulate
their e-mails in a somewhat offensive way. In my opinion,
Am Montag, 21. April 2014, 20:28:36 schrieb Vishesh Handa:
> Anyway, I'll be adding an explicit disable button again (if the translators
> allow me).
Please ask on kde-i18n-...@kde.org for a string freeze exception, usually
always you get approval.
--
Burkhard Lück
>> Visit http://mail.kd
On Monday, April 21, 2014 05:25:50 AM Shawn Starr wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Vishesh, I apprecate the work you are doing with Baloo, but as a long
> time KDE user and part developer (starting again soon). I do want the option
> to disable indexing, period. We are not GNOME, we allow users choice to how
>
On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:32:55 PM Roney Gomes wrote:
> I understand Nepomuk is gone so my argument doesn't make much sense now.
> However, I believe the same thing is happenning with Baloo. Since I added
> my home folder to its blacklist, why it's still there consuming my
> computer's memory
Hi again (back from some holidays),
Ian Wadham ha scritto:
> On 19/04/2014, at 7:52 PM, Thomas Lübking wrote:
>> Am Samstag, 19. April 2014 schrieb Ian Wadham :
>>> On 18/04/2014, at 4:58 AM, Thomas Lübking wrote:
>>
If removing the KLocale() constructor avoids it, i'm fairly sure it will
>>
On 4/17/2014 2:19 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
El Dimecres, 16 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:55:50, Robby Stephenson va escriure:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
El Dimarts, 15 d'abril de 2014, a les 21:34:38, Robby Stephenson va
Anyone else have this problem? Particul
Em seg 21 abr 2014, às 16:53:16, Michael Jansen escreveu:
> > This has been discussed in detail at
> > http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139606131629659&w=2 . tl;dr - There
> > won't be an option to disable Baloo or an include list. Baloo might
> > however
> > show list of currently indexed dirs.
On Monday 21 of April 2014 08:07:27 Shawn Starr wrote:
> So, I recant my code proposal, since
> /usr/share/akonadi/agents/akonadibalooindexingagent.desktop spawns the PIM
> agent each time.
You can create local copy of the desktop file:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332195#c4
Cheers,
Hi fellow devs,
In the latest Kubuntu release, 14.04, Plasma Media Center's primary feature
- playback of audio and video has stopped working. This is because we link
to libplasma which in turn links to libgstreamer-1.0 while QtMultimediaKit
links to libgstreamer-0.10. This upsets Glib because it
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:53:16 AM, Michael Jansen
> wrote:
> >
>> This has been discussed in detail at
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139606131629659&w=2 . tl;dr -
> There
>> won't be an option to disable Baloo or an include list. Baloo might
> however
>> show list of cu
> This has been discussed in detail at
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139606131629659&w=2 . tl;dr - There
> won't be an option to disable Baloo or an include list. Baloo might however
> show list of currently indexed dirs.
I really hope they reconsider.
I was always a fan of nepomuk. Use
On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:24:20 AM, Shantanu Tushar Jha
wrote:
>
>On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Shawn Starr wrote:
>
>On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:58:55 AM, "wagner.r...@gmail.com"
> wrote:
>>
>>Hello Shawn,
>>>
>>>
>>>take a look at this blog post,
>>>http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desk
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Shawn Starr wrote:
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:58:55 AM, "wagner.r...@gmail.com" <
> wagner.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Shawn,
> >
> >
> >take a look at this blog post,
> http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
> >
> >
> >
> >"
> >There
El Dilluns, 21 d'abril de 2014, a les 06:20:34, Shawn Starr va escriure:
> On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:58:55 AM, "wagner.r...@gmail.com"
> wrote:
>
> Hello Shawn,
>
> >take a look at this blog post,
> >http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
> >
> >
> >
> >"
> >There is no ex
On Monday, April 21, 2014 8:58:55 AM, "wagner.r...@gmail.com"
wrote:
Hello Shawn,
>
>
>take a look at this blog post,
>http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
>
>
>
>"
>There is no explicit “Enable/Disable” button any more. We would like to
>promote the use of searching an
Hello Shawn,
take a look at this blog post,
http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/
"
There is no explicit “Enable/Disable” button any more. We would like to promote
the use of searching and feel that Baloo should never get in the users way.
However, we are smart about it a
Hello,
Vishesh, I apprecate the work you are doing with Baloo, but as a long
time KDE user and part developer (starting again soon). I do want the option to
disable
indexing, period. We are not GNOME, we allow users choice to how they run their
workflows. I don't use indexing and always disabl
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