A Quarta, 15 de Junho de 2011 17:11:27 Martin Gräßlin você escreveu:
> On Wednesday 15 June 2011 17:46:08 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote:
> > > There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in
> > > LightDM, so why don't they instead im
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> Seriously, displaying unread emails ?
> From which user ?
All of them.
MSWIN interates through each user in the listview displaying unread
mails for each. (it's just a count of unread emails..obviously you
don't want other people sift
On Tuesday 14 June 2011, Harald Sitter wrote:
...
> Yet despite having complete control we did not manage to come up with a
> truly good workspace experience that starts at the DM (power management,
> good looks, I for one have yet to see a sane UI-wise integration of stuff
> like fingerprint auth,
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:43:44 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 June 2011 12:22:10 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > But right now: (Once again this is what I see from outside:)
> > -KDM developers have no plans
>
> This seems incorrect, given Shaun's work on Plasma - and after the
> discuss
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 06:11:27 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 June 2011 17:46:08 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote:
> > > There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in
> > > LightDM, so why don't they instead improve K
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:55:03 PM todd rme wrote:
> So in other words when LightDM is mature no one will work on it and we
> will be left with the same problem?
Maybe, though if it remains active and healthy then we may not.
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 17:46:08 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote:
> > There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in
> > LightDM, so why don't they instead improve KDM? Why should they be
> > putting their effort into an immature proj
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Alex Fiestas wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote:
>> There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in
>> LightDM, so why don't they instead improve KDM? Why should they be
>> putting their effort into an immature project
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote:
> There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in
> LightDM, so why don't they instead improve KDM? Why should they be
> putting their effort into an immature project instead of a mature one?
Because they're motivated to work
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 12:22:10 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> But right now: (Once again this is what I see from outside:)
> -KDM developers have no plans
This seems incorrect, given Shaun's work on Plasma - and after the discussion
in this thread
this should be known by now.
> -KDM maintainer has no
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Alex Fiestas wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 08:20:35 AM todd rme wrote:
>> There seems to be an implicit assumption here that if we are going to
>> go the cross-desktop route it would have to be LightDM that we pick.
>> But if KDM is already pluggable enough
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:20 AM, todd rme wrote:
> I gather from the discussion that most, if not all, the features that
> KDM still needs are also lacking in LightDM, while KDM has lots of
> features LightDM does not. So if we are talking about wasted
> resources,
>wouldn't it waste far fewer r
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 6:59 PM, David Edmundson
wrote:
>Does KDM still run the greeters as root?
No. It's been not doing that for about a year or so.
--
Shaun Reich,
KDE Software Developer (kde.org)
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:00:00PM +0200, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> 2 takes long to start
>
> I think lightdm solves (2), but does so by cutting features, features
> which we probably need (some asked for XDMCP as an example).
>
no, it solves it by not using qt+kdeui (and even less plasma).
if y
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Harald Sitter wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 14:55:58 Shaun Reich wrote:
>> How does lightDM even handle different authentication types? KDM has a
>> plugin system which handles different auth types (fingerprint,
>> winbindd, etc.).
>>
>> However, the fundamenta
Just to clarify something...
I'm not pushing lightDM into KDE in anyway, it is not my favorite DM or
anything like that, though I see it as a highly interesting project with a
healthy and active community and I do think that KDE should be leading the
Qtness of the project as well as be sure tha
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 08:20:35 AM todd rme wrote:
> There seems to be an implicit assumption here that if we are going to
> go the cross-desktop route it would have to be LightDM that we pick.
> But if KDM is already pluggable enough that you can easily rip out the
> GUI and write and entire
Hi Alex,
On Monday, June 13, 2011 21:10:36 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> Today something happened to me again, I turn on my laptop at the begining of
> a meeting and when I needed it the battery was over because the laptop
> didn't went to suspension (as I'm used).
>
> That makes me wonder what are the p
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Harald Sitter wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 15:37:25 Shaun Reich wrote:
>> Everybody talks about it like it's some magical unicorn that hasn't
>> been spotted before, but the truth is, it's staring everyone in the
>> face.
>>
>> In fact, I have dealt directly wi
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 15:37:25 Shaun Reich wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Harald Sitter wrote:
> > Should that ever get finished. Shaun?
>
> Good question ;-)
> Yeah, it's in a pretty finished state, after my unintentional hiatus.
> Mostly I've been cleaning stuff up(and yes, I've be
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Harald Sitter wrote:
> Should that ever get finished. Shaun?
Good question ;-)
Yeah, it's in a pretty finished state, after my unintentional hiatus.
Mostly I've been cleaning stuff up(and yes, I've been actively
committing lately), so that the qml code can look th
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 14:55:58 Shaun Reich wrote:
> How does lightDM even handle different authentication types? KDM has a
> plugin system which handles different auth types (fingerprint,
> winbindd, etc.).
>
> However, the fundamental flaw that I can see..is that at some level or
> another, the
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 22:19:40 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 20:26:45 Harald Sitter wrote:
>
>
> > Agreed.
> >
> > Yet despite having complete control we did not manage to come up with a
> > truly good workspace experience that starts at the DM (power
> > management, good loo
Slight shift of topic as well...but:
How does lightDM even handle different authentication types? KDM has a
plugin system which handles different auth types (fingerprint,
winbindd, etc.).
However, the fundamental flaw that I can see..is that at some level or
another, the UI/Greeter *has* to know
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 20:26:45 Harald Sitter wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> Yet despite having complete control we did not manage to come up with a truly
> good workspace experience that starts at the DM (power management, good
> looks,
> I for one have yet to see a sane UI-wise integration of stuff
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 17:42:55 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 June 2011 10:35:49 Harald Sitter wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Martin Gräßlin
wrote:
>
> > > There are of course more issues to think about when considering
> > > using
> > > something in our workspace that's de
On Monday 13 June 2011, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > For the experts: Does lightDM feel nice as a cross-desktop solution? is
> > it good enough?
>
> I cannot speak to the suitability of lightDM as a KDM replacement.
> However, I jus
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 10:35:49 Harald Sitter wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:29:45 -0400, Shaun Reich
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> lightDM is also headed by my dear friend Canonical, as is clearly seen.
> >
> > Serious question: does anyone kno
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Alex Fiestas wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2011 10:24:22 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
>> Am Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:34:56 +0200
>>
>> schrieb Martin Gräßlin :
>> > What does power management has to do with KDM? This belongs into
>> > powerdevil where to my knowledge it sho
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:29:45 -0400, Shaun Reich
> wrote:
>>
>> lightDM is also headed by my dear friend Canonical, as is clearly seen.
>
> Serious question: does anyone know if it requires Canonical's copyright
> assignment to contribute to
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Monday 13 June 2011 21:10:36 Alex Fiestas wrote:
>> So, what are the plans for KDM? can we expect some power management
>> integration? and plymouth?
>
> I don't see what power management and plymouth have to do with KDM. Power
> managme
Hi Alex,
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Alex Fiestas wrote:
> For the experts: Does lightDM feel nice as a cross-desktop solution? is it
> good enough?
I cannot speak to the suitability of lightDM as a KDM replacement.
However, I just wanted to point to a couple of discussions about this
from
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:29:45 -0400, Shaun Reich
wrote:
lightDM is also headed by my dear friend Canonical, as is clearly
seen.
Serious question: does anyone know if it requires Canonical's copyright
assignment to contribute to lightDM? If yes we can stop any further
discussion right here IMHO.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Alex Fiestas wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2011 04:46:12 PM Shaun Reich wrote:
>> Duh. You've got to be joking. Okay, how about you read up on the
>> subject..like uhm...in my blog, before criticizing what you clearly
>> are clueless about?
>> Blink excessively? You
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Thomas Lübking
wrote:
> Am Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:46:12 -0400
> schrieb Shaun Reich :
>
> Sorry, I don't read your blog - just did a quick google and thought this
> was the best place to get a reliable answer.
No problem. Just don't try to critique something until at
Am Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:02:02 +0200
schrieb Alex Fiestas :
> splashy replacement), though I know that KDM without patches doesn't
> have a smooth transition.
Ah, ok - that part wasn't about power savings at all ;-)
> There is a patch from the Fedora team that
Got a link? (it probably grabs the fr
Am Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:46:12 -0400
schrieb Shaun Reich :
> Of course *a*. I even went out of my way to specify it in other blog
> entries, multiple times iirc.
Sorry, I don't read your blog - just did a quick google and thought this
was the best place to get a reliable answer.
OFF TOPIC
On Monday, June 13, 2011 10:24:22 PM Thomas Lübking wrote:
> Am Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:34:56 +0200
>
> schrieb Martin Gräßlin :
> > What does power management has to do with KDM? This belongs into
> > powerdevil where to my knowledge it should be handled fine, if
> > configured correctly.
>
> I gues
On Monday, June 13, 2011 09:01:06 PM John Layt wrote:
> On Monday 13 Jun 2011 20:34:56 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > What does power management has to do with KDM? This belongs into
> > powerdevil where to my knowledge it should be handled fine, if
> > configured correctly.
>
> Not sure, but I wonder
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Thomas Lübking
wrote:
>
> Semi-OT:
>> knowledge there is some work going on to bring a Plasma interface to
>> KDM which would be a very unique feature.
>
> This?
> http://sreich.blogspot.com/2010/06/kdm-plasma-update.html
>
> Errr... hopefully *a* - and no
> It seems quite fashionable to start a project on freedesktop.org without
> involving KDE and to build it using Gnome tech, then ask us to use it because
> "it's a cross-desktop project".
Oh yes. Apparently it's better than KDM because it's very
cross-desktopy. And better. And stuff.
Whatever th
Am Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:34:56 +0200
schrieb Martin Gräßlin :
> What does power management has to do with KDM? This belongs into
> powerdevil where to my knowledge it should be handled fine, if
> configured correctly.
I guess he means:
"autosuspension from KDM", ie. w/o being logged in at all - h
On Monday 13 Jun 2011 20:34:56 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> What does power management has to do with KDM? This belongs into powerdevil
> where to my knowledge it should be handled fine, if configured correctly.
Not sure, but I wonder if Alex means he wasn't logged in so powerdevil
couldn't work?
> R
Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Monday 13 June 2011 21:10:36 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> > Also, since the last Ubuntu Development Summit I started to look into
> > lightDM[1] as a possible alternative (at least for my use), I event
> > managed to patch kdisplaymanager.cpp to play nice with it.
>
> To me the
On Monday 13 June 2011 21:10:36 Alex Fiestas wrote:
> Hi there
>
> Today something happened to me again, I turn on my laptop at the begining of
> a
> meeting and when I needed it the battery was over because the laptop didn't
> went to suspension (as I'm used).
>
> That makes me wonder what a
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