Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-24 Thread Miha Čančula
2010/12/24 Celeste Lyn Paul > This is a very interesting concept, but not necessarily for context > menus. Imagine this design proposal as a first step towards merging > window menu and toolbars, not too disimilar from the Microsoft ribbon. > One weakness with the ribbon is that it limits the amo

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-24 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
This would also be a great topic for a developer to work on during a UX sprint :) 2010/12/24 Celeste Lyn Paul : > This is a very interesting concept, but not necessarily for context > menus. Imagine this design proposal as a first step towards merging > window menu and toolbars, not too disimilar

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-24 Thread Markus Slopianka
Btw, I just saw that Chromium 10 follows a similar approach On Monday 13 December 2010 20:56:17 Miha Čančula wrote: > I have recently come across an idea on KDE Brainstorm. [1] The proposal is > to change the common actions in menus (cut, copy and paste) from text > lines to icons, like in applica

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-24 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
This is a very interesting concept, but not necessarily for context menus. Imagine this design proposal as a first step towards merging window menu and toolbars, not too disimilar from the Microsoft ribbon. One weakness with the ribbon is that it limits the amount of functionality by what can graph

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Tuesday 14 December 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > On Tue, December 14, 2010 2:52 pm, Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 December 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > >> On Monday 13 December 2010 20:32:30 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > >> > 5. There is no space to show the shortcut (i.e. Ctrl+C for Copy) >

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread Miha Čančula
Dne torek 14 decembra 2010 ob 16:08:42 je David Jarvie napisal(a): > On Tue, December 14, 2010 2:52 pm, Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 December 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > >> On Monday 13 December 2010 20:32:30 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > >> > 5. There is no space to show the shortcut (i.e. C

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 14.12.10 15:52:39, Ingo Klöcker wrote: > On Tuesday 14 December 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > > On Monday 13 December 2010 20:32:30 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > > 5. There is no space to show the shortcut (i.e. Ctrl+C for Copy) > > > > IMO, this is a very important drawback. There would then be n

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread David Jarvie
On Tue, December 14, 2010 2:52 pm, Ingo Klöcker wrote: > On Tuesday 14 December 2010, David Jarvie wrote: >> On Monday 13 December 2010 20:32:30 Albert Astals Cid wrote: >> > 5. There is no space to show the shortcut (i.e. Ctrl+C for Copy) >> >> IMO, this is a very important drawback. There would t

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Tuesday 14 December 2010, David Jarvie wrote: > On Monday 13 December 2010 20:32:30 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > 5. There is no space to show the shortcut (i.e. Ctrl+C for Copy) > > IMO, this is a very important drawback. There would then be no easy > way for users who didn't know the keyboard

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread Hans Meine
Am Montag 13 Dezember 2010, 23:42:37 schrieb Dan Meltzer: > If common actions were all handled in this way, then it might > actually lead to more consistancy, and ease of access. I don't know.. how do I know whether I need to look for a large toolbar button at the top or for a regular menu entry

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-14 Thread Nuno Pinheiro
A Segunda, 13 de Dezembro de 2010 23:48:54 Markus Slopianka você escreveu: > In principle I like the idea. > But can the execution also work in other areas? > How many items can be grouped together in a feasible way? > > Currently I have KWrite open. When I look at the Edit menu, I see: > Find, Fi

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Markus Slopianka
In principle I like the idea. But can the execution also work in other areas? How many items can be grouped together in a feasible way? Currently I have KWrite open. When I look at the Edit menu, I see: Find, Find Next, Find Previous, Replace, Find Selected, Find Selected Backwards. Those are six

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Markus Slopianka
Am Dienstag 14 Dezember 2010, 00:01:54 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > (as a side note: this will break with dbusmenu; so it can't find its way > easily into the system tray icon menus, for instance) If it breaks dbusmenu, all the work on the Global Menu Bar front would go to waste as well.

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, December 13, 2010, Dan Meltzer wrote: > If common actions were all handled in this way, then it might > actually lead to more consistancy, consistency with what? certainly not with the menus, where we will now have items that behave differently. (as a side note: this will break with

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Dan Meltzer
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Monday, December 13, 2010, Miha Čančula wrote: >> The pros and cons I can think of right now are: Pro: >>   1. Biger clickable area => less chance of misclicks > > not substantially bigger; and in this case it would be interesting to know

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, December 13, 2010, Miha Čančula wrote: > The pros and cons I can think of right now are: Pro: > 1. Biger clickable area => less chance of misclicks not substantially bigger; and in this case it would be interesting to know just how many misclicks actually happen using both UI styles.

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Miha Čančula
> As someone who uses KDE on a computer without any pointing device, I > rely on my keyboard's context menu key [1] quite a bit. > > Parker > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_key > I know, I know. I'm already reading through QMenu's code, I think I've come up with something.

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Parker Coates
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 16:26, Miha Čančula wrote: > 2010/12/13 Albert Astals Cid >> A Dilluns, 13 de desembre de 2010, Miha Čančula va escriure: >> > Dne ponedeljek 13 decembra 2010 ob 21:32:30 je Albert Astals Cid >> > napisal(a): >> > > Does this break keyboard navigation in the menu? >> > >> >

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dilluns, 13 de desembre de 2010, Miha Čančula va escriure: > 2010/12/13 Albert Astals Cid > > > A Dilluns, 13 de desembre de 2010, Miha Čančula va escriure: > > > Dne ponedeljek 13 decembra 2010 ob 21:32:30 je Albert Astals Cid > > > > napisal(a): > > > > Does this break keyboard navigation in

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Miha Čančula
2010/12/13 Albert Astals Cid > A Dilluns, 13 de desembre de 2010, Miha Čančula va escriure: > > Dne ponedeljek 13 decembra 2010 ob 21:32:30 je Albert Astals Cid > napisal(a): > > > Does this break keyboard navigation in the menu? > > > > Yes, unfortunately it does, I just tried. The elements disp

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dilluns, 13 de desembre de 2010, Miha Čančula va escriure: > Dne ponedeljek 13 decembra 2010 ob 21:32:30 je Albert Astals Cid napisal(a): > > Does this break keyboard navigation in the menu? > > Yes, unfortunately it does, I just tried. The elements displayed this way > are not selectable by key

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Miha Čančula
Dne ponedeljek 13 decembra 2010 ob 21:32:30 je Albert Astals Cid napisal(a): > Does this break keyboard navigation in the menu? Yes, unfortunately it does, I just tried. The elements displayed this way are not selectable by keyboard, even thought other actions in the same menu are. signature.as

Re: Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Dilluns, 13 de desembre de 2010, Miha Čančula va escriure: > I have recently come across an idea on KDE Brainstorm. [1] The proposal is > to change the common actions in menus (cut, copy and paste) from text > lines to icons, like in application toolbars. It is currently the most > popular idea t

Action icons in menus

2010-12-13 Thread Miha Čančula
I have recently come across an idea on KDE Brainstorm. [1] The proposal is to change the common actions in menus (cut, copy and paste) from text lines to icons, like in application toolbars. It is currently the most popular idea there. Someone posted a proof-of-concept example of how this can b