Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

In data lunedì 08 luglio 2013 21:55:28, hai scritto: > From total ignorace, how much time do you need to change a 4.12 to a 4.13 in > a spec file? What is consuming your time doing a packaging of a new > release? Major releases: These require more work, rather obviously, although a small number

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

On Monday, July 08, 2013 09:55:28 PM Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:35:22, Luca Beltrame va escriure: > > (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; > > in > > fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) > > > > Currently, the peopl

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Tuesday, July 09, 2013 02:02:48 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Àlex Fiestas wrote: > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule > > to > > be applied starting w

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Àlex Fiestas wrote: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule > to > be applied starting with 4.12. > > Basically the idea is to cut testing time and comp

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Mon, July 8, 2013 17:45:10 Philip Muskovac wrote: > What would at least make my life easier here would be a way to easily get a > list of all patches that were applied to a stable release (esp. when someone > bothers to backport a fix after the last point release is out). > The only way to do th

Re: Releases in 3 months

I think Nuno's point is very interesting and worth thinking about. To stick with the firefox example, since they started releasing every ortography fix in the settings dialog as a new major version, I think attention in the media to their releases has declined a lot -- nobody cares any more that a

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 22:14:28 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > On Monday 08 July 2013 16:26:00 laurent Montel wrote: > > Le lundi 8 juillet 2013 16:11:05 Frank Reininghaus a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > 2013/7/8 Àlex Fiestas: > > > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which > >

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 16:26:00 laurent Montel wrote: > Le lundi 8 juillet 2013 16:11:05 Frank Reininghaus a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > 2013/7/8 Àlex Fiestas: > > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in > > > theory > > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propos

Re: Releases in 3 months

A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 21:54:02 Albert Astals Cid escreveu: > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:03:14, Nuno Pinheiro va escriure: > > A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 20:58:42 Albert Astals Cid escreveu: > > > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 19:32:13, Nuno Pinheiro va > > escriu

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

On Monday 08 July 2013 21:55:28 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > From total ignorace, how much time do you need to change a 4.12 to a 4.13 in > a spec file? What is consuming your time doing a packaging of a new > release? We don't just run a sed rule on each spec (pkgbuild, in my case) file. We check

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:40:59, Heinz Wiesinger va escriure: > On Monday 08 July 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule > > to be

Re: openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:35:22, Luca Beltrame va escriure: > (apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in > fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) > > Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against the proposal. > A detailed explan

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 20:03:14, Nuno Pinheiro va escriure: > A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 20:58:42 Albert Astals Cid escreveu: > > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 19:32:13, Nuno Pinheiro va escriure: > > > A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas escreveu: > > >

Re: kdeinit vs. link order

On Monday 08 July 2013, Thomas Lübking wrote: > Escalating to the High Council. > --- > > > KWin needs[1] to set some environment variables before libGL is > instantiated. This used to be done by an extra shared object at the end of > the link order. > > While i'm not sure whether the curren

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to > be applied starting with 4.12. > > Basically the idea is to cut testing time and compens

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to > be applied starting with 4.12. IMHO that's a bit hasty. There was previous talk about Fr

openSUSE packagers' take on the 3 month release cycle

(apologies for breaking your threading, but I'm not subscribed to k-c-d; in fact, please CC me with replies, thanks!) Currently, the people working on openSUSE packages are against the proposal. A detailed explanation follows. First and foremost, the KDE packaging in openSUSE is almost complete

Re: Releases in 3 months

A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 20:58:42 Albert Astals Cid escreveu: > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 19:32:13, Nuno Pinheiro va escriure: > > A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas escreveu: > > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in > > > theory >

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 19:32:13, Nuno Pinheiro va escriure: > A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas escreveu: > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule >

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 20:32:57 Thomas Lübking wrote: > On Montag, 8. Juli 2013 20:30:39 CEST, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > The concept of integration branches is a solution to this problem > > +1 > > They do not only rise testing (beyond your own) but also and especially > integrated testing (aga

Re: Review Request 111341: Oxygenify KNetattach

--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/111341/#review35762 --- The patch is wrong. It is correct for knetattach to have an ow

Re: Releases in 3 months

A Segunda, 8 de Julho de 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas escreveu: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to > be applied starting with 4.12. > > Basically the idea is to cut testing time a

Re: Review Request 111341: Oxygenify KNetattach

> On July 2, 2013, 1:32 a.m., Thomas Lübking wrote: > > Looks like the proper source, but i guess the icon should be rather > > replaced so that any user of knetattach (eg. a local .desktop file) gets > > the updated variant. > > > > Please attach Nuno to the review as the icons are his domain

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Montag, 8. Juli 2013 20:30:39 CEST, Martin Graesslin wrote: The concept of integration branches is a solution to this problem +1 They do not only rise testing (beyond your own) but also and especially integrated testing (against feature clashes where A xor B is good and A & B miserably f

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Montag, 8. Juli 2013 20:09:47 CEST, laurent Montel wrote: Yes I finished it 2 days ago, but started 2 months ago. So it was bug fixing, I didn’t create new feature 2 days ago. And I had 6 months to develop it, so think when there is 3 months to do it. Hein? And if it took you 10 years or

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 20:06:51 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 14:03:19, Scott Kitterman va escriure: > > Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > >El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 11:25:42, Scott Kitterman va > > > > > >escriure: > > >> On Monday, July 08, 2013 04:59

Re: Disable by default KRandR in 4.11

On Monday 08 July 2013 19:49:29 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > I have, I've also taken into account that if you remove it we will be > shipping a workspace with no software at all to configure your screens for > a long time. > > Ok, there's a different software that works better, but this one seems to

Re: Moving KScreen and libkscreen to extragear

Code wise, things looks pretty good. Minor comments: - the library is GPL, not LGPL which is the norm for libraries. Is this deliberate? - Inside kscreen you have a copy of the metadata.desktop file twice. Just have the one and install it to the two places. You might also want to use the versio

Re: Releases in 3 months

Le lundi 8 juillet 2013 19:55:46 Albert Astals Cid a écrit : > El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 15:45:13, laurent Montel va escriure: > > Hi, > > As you know I work a lot on kdepim (but you forgot to ask me if it was a > > good idea or I didn’t receive mail... :) ) > > > > Ok kdelibs and kde

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 14:03:19, Scott Kitterman va escriure: > Albert Astals Cid wrote: > >El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 11:25:42, Scott Kitterman va > > > >escriure: > >> On Monday, July 08, 2013 04:59:50 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: > >> > On Monday 08 July 2013 10:40:21 Scot

Re: Releases in 3 months

Albert Astals Cid wrote: >El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 11:25:42, Scott Kitterman va >escriure: >> On Monday, July 08, 2013 04:59:50 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: >> > On Monday 08 July 2013 10:40:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > > We've already experienced having some parts of the SC skip >rele

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 11:25:42, Scott Kitterman va escriure: > On Monday, July 08, 2013 04:59:50 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: > > On Monday 08 July 2013 10:40:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > We've already experienced having some parts of the SC skip releases and > > > it > > > was a real

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 15:45:13, laurent Montel va escriure: > Hi, > As you know I work a lot on kdepim (but you forgot to ask me if it was a > good idea or I didn’t receive mail... :) ) > > Ok kdelibs and kde-workspace is frozen until KDE SC5 so less work for you > for example. >

Re: Releases in 3 months

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 15:14:07, Luigi Toscano va escriure: > On Monday 08 of July 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule > > to be

Re: Disable by default KRandR in 4.11

El Dilluns, 8 de juliol de 2013, a les 15:10:06, Àlex Fiestas va escriure: > On Thursday 04 July 2013 21:39:03 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > I agree we are too late. > > > > If KScreen is so much better, i'd make sure packagers know about it and > > they can install KScreen and not KRandR if they w

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 of July 2013 18:09:44 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > On Monday 08 July 2013 17:45:10 Philip Muskovac wrote: > > I understand that we can have additional point releases if people still > > find issues that need to be fixed, but with so many short release cycles > > I expect that the attention fo

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 17:45:10 Philip Muskovac wrote: > Hi, > > With my Kubuntu Developer Hat on, one concern I have is the support > timeframe for the planned 4.13 release. Kubuntu 14.04, planned to be > released in April 2014 will be a Long Term Support release meaning we'll > have to care abou

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday, July 08, 2013 04:59:50 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: > On Monday 08 July 2013 10:40:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > We've already experienced having some parts of the SC skip releases and it > > was a real problem from a distribution perspective. Please, let's not do > > it again. > > KDE-PIM w

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 10:40:21 Scott Kitterman wrote: > We've already experienced having some parts of the SC skip releases and it > was a real problem from a distribution perspective. Please, let's not do > it again. KDE-PIM will be released, just not with the features of those working with a 6

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 16:38:02 you wrote: > Le lundi 8 juillet 2013 16:19:02 Àlex Fiestas a écrit : > > I did pasted the link in #kontact and #akonadi a couple of times before > > sending this email :p > > I never saw it. > And paste on irc is not speak with guy which works several project. Sure,

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 10:08:08 Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, July 08, 2013 03:04:40 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule > > to be applied starting w

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday, July 08, 2013 04:35:30 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: > On Monday 08 July 2013 16:26:00 laurent Montel wrote: > > No it’s not a good idea because nobody tests branch you can see pb that we > > had when we merge akonadi branch (last big changes). > > So no develop in branch will just create more

Re: Releases in 3 months

Le lundi 8 juillet 2013 16:19:02 Àlex Fiestas a écrit : > I did pasted the link in #kontact and #akonadi a couple of times before > sending this email :p I never saw it. And paste on irc is not speak with guy which works several project. > > The development time is NOT divided and it is NOT limi

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 16:26:00 laurent Montel wrote: > No it’s not a good idea because nobody tests branch you can see pb that we > had when we merge akonadi branch (last big changes). > So no develop in branch will just create more bugs. > > And same question: why reduce time by 2 ? > > What we

Re: Releases in 3 months

Le lundi 8 juillet 2013 16:11:05 Frank Reininghaus a écrit : > Hi, > > 2013/7/8 Àlex Fiestas: > > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule > > to be applied starting with 4.12. > > > >

Re: Releases in 3 months

Hi, 2013/7/8 Àlex Fiestas: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to > be applied starting with 4.12. > > Basically the idea is to cut testing time and compensate it by keeping master

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday, July 08, 2013 03:04:40 PM Àlex Fiestas wrote: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to > be applied starting with 4.12. > > Basically the idea is to cut testing time and co

Re: Releases in 3 months

Hi, As you know I work a lot on kdepim (but you forgot to ask me if it was a good idea or I didn’t receive mail... :) ) Ok kdelibs and kde-workspace is frozen until KDE SC5 so less work for you for example. But for kdepim we are not a big team, and we have a lot of feature to implement and it’

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 July 2013 15:14:07 Luigi Toscano wrote: > If the exception is "i18n", well, I guess that most of i18n people would > tell you that it will be a pain from translation's point of view. It is > true that there is one month before the hard-string freeze and the release, > but there is anot

Re: Releases in 3 months

On Monday 08 of July 2013 15:04:40 Àlex Fiestas wrote: > Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory > means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to > be applied starting with 4.12. > > Basically the idea is to cut testing time and comp

Re: Disable by default KRandR in 4.11

On Thursday 04 July 2013 21:39:03 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > I agree we are too late. > > If KScreen is so much better, i'd make sure packagers know about it and they > can install KScreen and not KRandR if they want, even provide > replaces/conflicts rules. > > But since we are 5 days away from

Releases in 3 months

Now that kde-workspace and kdelibs are going to be frozen (which in theory means less work for everybody) I'd like to propose a new release schedule to be applied starting with 4.12. Basically the idea is to cut testing time and compensate it by keeping master always in a "releaseable" state, n

Re: Moving KScreen and libkscreen to extragear

On Thursday 04 of July 2013 22:28:27 Burkhard Lück wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2013, 01:13:36 schrieb Àlex Fiestas: > > I would like to request a review so we can move KScreen and libkscreen to > > extragear/base. > > > > KScreen is a new manager for outputs such: monitors, projectors, embedde

kdeinit vs. link order

Escalating to the High Council. --- KWin needs[1] to set some environment variables before libGL is instantiated. This used to be done by an extra shared object at the end of the link order. While i'm not sure whether the current process in CMakeLists is actually correct, not even LD_PRELO

Re: Review Request 111335: Fix for one of the oldest KIO bugs: multiple dialogs when KIO encounters SSL errors

> On July 5, 2013, 2:23 p.m., David Faure wrote: > > kio/kio/scheduler.cpp, line 766 > > > > > > Please don't put this code in scheduler.cpp > > > > I'm trying to properly split core and gui aspects of KI