On 25 July 2011 07:18, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
>
> Thomas Zander wrote:
>
>>On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
>>> aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
>>> systemsettings.
>>
>>Pl
Hi Mark,
The localization stuff you're concerned about is happening below the
desktop file layer (in KDE's case, kconfigdata.h), and should work
automatically, i.e. if you ask for some key it will automatically give
you a localized version if available.
Also, DE-specific desktop file keys would be
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> On Mon 25 July 2011 06:53:28 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>> > On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> >> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
>> >> >
>> >> >
On Mon 25 July 2011 06:53:28 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
> >> >
> >> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This
> >>
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> I've done some small research on what components would have to be
> updated for the desktop-specific-names solution. I think that would
> be:
>
> - The Desktop Entry Specification,
> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-s
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>>
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>>
>> I suggest that you consider it, because it w
Hi Mark,
I've done some small research on what components would have to be
updated for the desktop-specific-names solution. I think that would
be:
- The Desktop Entry Specification,
http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
- KDE's KDesktopFile,
https://projects.kde.org/projects/
On Mon, 25.07.11 17:40, Giovanni Campagna (scampa.giova...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > The spec does not provide a list of shared keys, does such a list exist?
> > If there is no such list I don't see how we could share anything.
>
> http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/XSettingsRegistry
Th
David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>>
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>>
>> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
>> update the
> On July 2, 2011, 9:49 p.m., Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> > hmm. but now things are still done twice in a kde session, no?
> > what was wrong with the suggestion to notify qt that it should update
> > "stuff"?
>
> Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
> createApplicationPalette() is indeed called twice wh
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On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>
> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
> update the Freedesktop specification an
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>
> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
> update the Freedesktop specification
Hi Mark,
Yes, you are right about the X- part. However, I now think that the
Freedesktop specification could be extended in a more generic way. I
suggest updating the spec such that any (!) non-(-X) key of form (for
example)
Specific--=
is to be interpreted as =Value, in the environment called ,
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
update the Freedesktop specification and any DE that doesn't name its
programs differently in other DEs
Thomas Zander wrote:
>On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
>> aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
>> systemsettings.
>
>Please don't assume that was an agressive act.
>
>I can tota
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.17 +0200, Aurélien Gâteau ha scritto:
> Le 24/07/2011 17:11, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
> > GTK+ applications use the XSETTINGS keys:
> >
> > http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html
> >
> > so every key that is shared using that spe
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM, David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:32 pm, Mark wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Could you read and comment on my proposal:
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131142514605051&w=2
>> I would like to implement this in the spec, KDE en Gnome, but i need
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On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:32 pm, Mark wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> Could you read and comment on my proposal:
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131142514605051&w=2
> I would like to implement this in the spec, KDE en Gnome, but i need
> some pointers on where i should make such edits and to get it
Hi,
On Monday, 25. July 2011 02:37:15 Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> controls settings of the KDE runtime env/platform, is at least also one
> who is insular and only cares for himself (or his workspace), no?
No. The application author has the freedom to come up with a creative catchy
name -
A Segunda, 25 de Julho de 2011 11:56:01 Markus Slopianka você escreveu:
> > Which settings don't they follow? Apart from theme (as there is no gtk3
> > engine written in Qt yet)
>
> Why do theme engines have to be written for Qt in order to let GTK apps at
> least integrate visually into a Qt envi
2011/7/24 Ben Cooksley :
> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> they're insular and only care for themselves.
>
> In any case, we need a short term solution to this. Basically, we are
> going to have
Am Montag 25 Juli 2011, 02:37:15 schrieb Friedrich W. H. Kossebau:
> Sorry, Ben, but someone who names his program with that general term
> "System settings" and expects it to have this name in all of the
> shells/workspaces (Gnome Shell, Unity, XFCE, Enlightenment,
> $WINDOWMANAGER, even in Windo
> Which settings don't they follow? Apart from theme (as there is no gtk3
> engine written in Qt yet)
Why do theme engines have to be written for Qt in order to let GTK apps at
least integrate
visually into a Qt environment. There should be a Qt theme loader in GTK just
as there is
a GTK theme
On 07/24/2011 09:10 PM, Michael Jansen wrote:
I btw. agree that a kde application outside of a kde workspace should
be self contained. We could solve that problem btw inside of the kde
framework even. As Martin masterfully proved systemsettings is a
workspace application and should not be be re
On Monday, 25. July 2011 02:10:56 Thiago Macieira wrote:
> On Sunday, 24 de July de 2011 14:51:34 Gary Greene wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Martin Koller wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > can anyone answer the case https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277319 ,
> > > please ?
> > Honestly, I
On 07/24/2011 05:11 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
applications using the org.freedesktop.Secrets API will ask for the
well-known bus name, and get to talk to the daemon implementing it;
that means using the gnome-keyring daemon or kwallet, depending on
which is installed. the same mechanism of au
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> >
>> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
>> >
>> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This NamingClashCrisis is
>> > more
>>
>> They will. As an example,
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 16:05:22 Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> you're saying that anyone using a KDE application should also install
> the KDE system settings shell because it is the only way to configure
> KDE *applications*? Qt, like GTK+ uses the same XSETTINGS protocol, to
> allow interoperability
Heya folks :)
This whole debate is way too heated and I'd like to take this out of
the arena. Are there 2 or 3 people on the GNOME side that are
available to talk this through and find a solution? Ideally whoever
maintains system settings on the GNOME side would be one of them.
I'd like to work wi
Where's the problem? Have the release tarballs already and irrevocably been
forged and fed into some unstoppable mechanism?
Per the KDE Release Schedule, we are frozen for everything except
build compilation failures, as the KDE 4.7.0 release process is
underway.
So what is the better option here
On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
> aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
> systemsettings.
Please don't assume that was an agressive act.
I can totally see that someone that goes wi
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 05:52:08 PM Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> On Sunday 24 July 2011 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> > Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> > interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> > they're insular and only care for themselves
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 05:07:19 PM Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> they're insular and only care for themselves.
>
> In any case, we need a short term solution to this.
On Monday 25 July 2011 06.02.17 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> > Sorry, Ben, but someone who names his program with that general term
> > "System settings" and expects it to have this name in all of the
> > shells/workspaces (Gnome Shell, Unity, XFCE, Enlightenment,
> > $WINDOWMANAGER, even in Windows and O
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