Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-28 Thread André Felipe Machado via Info-cyrus
Hello 1 - http://www.enkive.org ? 2 - expunge delay , but sent msg on client not copying to a sent folder? 3 - postfix always bcc to a second Cyrus system? Regards André Felipe Em 27 de agosto de 2016 13:29:14 BRT, Bron Gondwana via Info-cyrus escreveu: > > > >On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, at 02:13, Sh

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-27 Thread Bron Gondwana via Info-cyrus
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016, at 02:13, Shawn Bakhtiar via Info-cyrus wrote: > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Giuseppe Ravasio (LU) via Info-cyrus > cy...@lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: >> >> I saw that someone proposed to make a sort of abuse of delayed >> expunge, >> but I think that in order to comply

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Adam Tauno Williams via Info-cyrus
On Fri, 2016-08-26 at 12:11 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III via Info-cyrus wrote: > > > > > > "GR(" == Giuseppe Ravasio (LU) via Info-cyrus < > > > > > > info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > GR(> I saw that someone proposed to make a sort of abuse of delayed > GR(> expunge, but I think that in or

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Adam Tauno Williams via Info-cyrus
On Fri, 2016-08-26 at 16:13 +, Shawn Bakhtiar via Info-cyrus wrote: > > On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Giuseppe Ravasio (LU) via Info-cyrus < > > info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: > > I saw that someone proposed to make a sort of abuse of delayed > > expunge, > > but I think that in order t

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus
If Strict compliance and regulatory requirements were the issue I would agree that a completely separate subsystem would be appropriate. This is more for a company that is on the periphery of compliance issues. There will be no compliance officers or strict validation against regulatory requir

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III via Info-cyrus
> "GR(" == Giuseppe Ravasio (LU) via Info-cyrus > writes: GR(> I saw that someone proposed to make a sort of abuse of delayed GR(> expunge, but I think that in order to comply with regulatory GR(> retention should be better considering some specific software. True, but it seems odd (to

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Shawn Bakhtiar via Info-cyrus
On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Giuseppe Ravasio (LU) via Info-cyrus mailto:info-cyrus@lists.andrew.cmu.edu>> wrote: I saw that someone proposed to make a sort of abuse of delayed expunge, but I think that in order to comply with regulatory retention should be better considering some specific softw

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Patrick Goetz via Info-cyrus
On 08/26/2016 08:09 AM, Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus wrote: What are others doing for mail archival? If you need to retain all email for regulatory reasons, I would run the mail through something like a procmail filter, sending one copy to the user and another to an Archival spool, which could

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Giuseppe Ravasio (LU) via Info-cyrus
I saw that someone proposed to make a sort of abuse of delayed expunge, but I think that in order to comply with regulatory retention should be better considering some specific software. For example: http://www.mailpiler.org (Fully Free Software) https://www.mailarchiva.com (the old version is ope

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus
On 08/26/2016 10:25 AM, Adam Tauno Williams via Info-cyrus wrote: On Fri, 2016-08-26 at 10:07 -0400, Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus wrote: Well the MTA still does not deal with archival because it will need to be passed through to Yet Another MDA to handle the archival and management process. I'm

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus
I was wondering about the idea of using delayed_expunge. I was also thinking about the expunge process moving the message out to some other place but that would be a change to the expunge code. On 08/26/2016 10:19 AM, Andrew Morgan wrote: Could your retention needs be satisfied with Cyrus' de

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Michael D. Sofka via Info-cyrus
On 08/26/2016 10:25 AM, Adam Tauno Williams via Info-cyrus wrote: In my thinking Cyrus is responsible for the storage and management of email so archival would be a part of that process. It has to be the MTAs responsibility as Cyrus very possibly does not see *sent* mail; or messages which ar

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Adam Tauno Williams via Info-cyrus
On Fri, 2016-08-26 at 10:07 -0400, Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus wrote: > Well the MTA still does not deal with archival because it will need > to be passed through to Yet Another MDA to handle the archival and > management process. I'm not sure what you mean. You can archive to a 'shared' folder or

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Andrew Morgan via Info-cyrus
Could your retention needs be satisfied with Cyrus' delayed_delete and delayed_expunge functionality? Thanks, Andy On Fri, 26 Aug 2016, Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus wrote: Well the MTA still does not deal with archival because it will need to be passed through to Yet Another MDA to hand

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Michael D. Sofka via Info-cyrus
On 08/26/2016 09:09 AM, Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus wrote: A company I am working with is facing issues of regulatorymail retention. Some searching has yielded little useful results other than putting a system in front to store all incoming messages. What are others doing for mail archival? An

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus
Well the MTA still does not deal with archival because it will need to be passed through to Yet Another MDA to handle the archival and management process. For the pure archival of the input/output stream including duplicate deliveries and all spam always_bcc into YAMDA would work. In my thin

Re: how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Nic Bernstein via Info-cyrus
Alvin, This is really more of an issue for your MTA, such as Postfix or Exim. The MDA -- Cyrus in this case -- has little or nothing to do with the sort of archiving/retention you need for compliance. Take a look at always_bcc and similar directives in Postfix, or the equivalent in whatever

how to deal with mail retention/archival.

2016-08-26 Thread Alvin Starr via Info-cyrus
A company I am working with is facing issues of regulatorymail retention. Some searching has yielded little useful results other than putting a system in front to store all incoming messages. What are others doing for mail archival? An ideal solution would let the users carry on using current