Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-28 Thread Scott Russell
On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 14:39, Rob Siemborski wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > > > 'virtual folders' ? I've never heard of such with Cyrus :) > > It'd just mean that executing an APPEND into them causes something > "special" to happen rather than moving the message. This makes

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-28 Thread Scott Russell
On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 14:32, Rob Siemborski wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > > > I would be interested to hear more about the spam/ham training folders. > > How do you (or others) keep users from deleting them, for example? It > > seems a per-user folder solution would be the m

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-28 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > This makes good sense when you consider the situation of a false > positive. > > 1) user gets ham that was tagged as spam > 2) user trains dspam by dropping the email into the is-no-spam folder > > In step 2 you don't want the message really moved. > > I

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-28 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > 'virtual folders' ? I've never heard of such with Cyrus :) It'd just mean that executing an APPEND into them causes something "special" to happen rather than moving the message. -Rob -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-28 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > I would be interested to hear more about the spam/ham training folders. > How do you (or others) keep users from deleting them, for example? It > seems a per-user folder solution would be the most intuitive, for both > the user and the client interface.

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-28 Thread Scott Russell
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 23:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > > > I'm looking at setting up a DSPAM + Postfix + Cyrus solution here as > > well. I have to wonder about the advantages of setting up a shared spam > > folder for the system though. > > Oh, not th

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread +archive . info-cyrus
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > I'm looking at setting up a DSPAM + Postfix + Cyrus solution here as > well. I have to wonder about the advantages of setting up a shared spam > folder for the system though. Oh, not that it really matters, but we're using Postfix + amavisd-new to call

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread +archive . info-cyrus
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > Would it really have any serious advantage over forwarding the false > negatives/positives to an email address for processing? At this point I would say "yes". It's been hell trying to get folks to forward the spam with the headers intact. Seems like ev

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread Craig Ringer
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 21:39, Scott Russell wrote: > Would it really have any serious advantage over forwarding the false > negatives/positives to an email address for processing? Users. I have a hard time getting my users to wrap their heads around the concept of a "spam" folder vs "trash" folder

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread Moritz Both
We used to use bogofilter with the old pop3 system and with cyrus imapd now we don't have any spam filter so far except the one built into mozilla. A key question to me is if it is a good idea to share a single spam/ham keyword database or to have one for every user. This is a bit OT - sorry b

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Scott Russell wrote: > well. I have to wonder about the advantages of setting up a shared spam > folder for the system though. It doesn't need to be shared -- it can be a per-user mailbox just as easily. > Would it really have any serious advantage over forwarding the false

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread Scott Russell
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 09:22, Rob Siemborski wrote: > On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Robin M. wrote: > > > I have also been considering setting this up. I was thinking of having a > > globally shared mailbox which users can 'drag' spam into. The dragging > > could also be a 'report as spam', or 'this is not

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-27 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Robin M. wrote: > I have also been considering setting this up. I was thinking of having a > globally shared mailbox which users can 'drag' spam into. The dragging > could also be a 'report as spam', or 'this is not spam' button. I was > thinking of making the accss lists on t

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-26 Thread Jules Agee
Craig Ringer wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 23:26, Robin M. wrote: I have also been considering setting this up. I was thinking of having a globally shared mailbox which users can 'drag' spam into. The dragging could also be a 'report as spam', or 'this is not spam' button. I was thinking of making t

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-26 Thread James A. Pattie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin M. wrote: | On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Craig Ringer wrote: | | |>On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 20:58, Ghislain ADNET wrote: |> |> |>>Or perhaps can i feed it directly from the actual |>>individual files in the mailbox ? |> |>There are a couple of other things I

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-26 Thread John Hughes
Robin M. wrote: I have also been considering setting this up. I was thinking of having a globally shared mailbox which users can 'drag' spam into. The dragging could also be a 'report as spam', or 'this is not spam' button. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a sieve extension that fed messages into

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Robin M.
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Dwight Tovey wrote: > Robin M. said: > > > > > Are there other people out there that have implemented this and what are > > your methods ? > > I have a cron script that gets kicked off every night. It runs sa-learn > on several cyrus folders, then turns around and runs 'ipurg

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Dwight Tovey
Robin M. said: > > Are there other people out there that have implemented this and what are > your methods ? I have a cron script that gets kicked off every night. It runs sa-learn on several cyrus folders, then turns around and runs 'ipurge' on the ones that need it. So, you could have someth

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Craig Ringer
On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 23:26, Robin M. wrote: > I have also been considering setting this up. I was thinking of having a > globally shared mailbox which users can 'drag' spam into. The dragging > could also be a 'report as spam', or 'this is not spam' button. I was > thinking of making the accss li

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Robin M.
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Craig Ringer wrote: > On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 20:58, Ghislain ADNET wrote: > > > Or perhaps can i feed it directly from the actual > > individual files in the mailbox ? > > There are a couple of other things I should mention about this approach. > First: do not move or modify th

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Craig Ringer
On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 20:58, Ghislain ADNET wrote: > Or perhaps can i feed it directly from the actual > individual files in the mailbox ? There are a couple of other things I should mention about this approach. First: do not move or modify the files, only use IMAP to do that. Otherwise you'll n

Re: cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Craig Ringer
On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 20:58, Ghislain ADNET wrote: > To train the bayes filter of spamassassin you need to feed it the spam > and "ham" so it learn how to deal with it. > It can learn email from an mbox unix file. Now you can see the problem > with cyrus as it does not use mbox format at all :

cyrus and Spamassassin bayes rules

2004-04-25 Thread Ghislain ADNET
Hi, The spam is still something that plagues us and so i installed a spamassassin milter in my sendmail that stand before the cyrus imap server. My problem is the end user bayes training. I need the user to put spam in a special folder so it will train their bayes databases. To train the ba