Re: RE : RE : RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread Paul M Fleming
We're backing up w/ Legato (under linux w/ a network based server running on Solaris) and it works fairely well.. 1 of our servers has 1Million files and 6Gb of data in the store. The other as just under 1Million using 10 Gb. For each a full backup of the store takes about 1 hour. Rob Siemborsk

Re: RE : RE : RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, John Hughes wrote: > At www.amanda.org I see "AMANDA uses native dump and/or GNU tar > facilities" > > Can you use vxdump with amanda? Sure. As of 2.4.1 (from their NEWS file): * Configure now looks for vxdump and vxrestore in /usr/lib/fs/vxfs for Solaris systems and will u

RE : RE : RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread John Hughes
>> How are you doing the actual backup? I cannot recommend vxdump too >> highly, it is rather awkward to use but *MANY* times faster than >> tar or find/cpio, especialy if you're doing incremental backups. > We're using amanda going to a RAID array on another system. At www.amanda.org I see "AMA

RE : RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread John Hughes
> I'm probably misremembering something from our testing, since the > load created by running gzip for a few hours is definately more > than any brief load spike while a snapshot was created. How are you doing the actual backup? I cannot recommend vxdump too highly, it is rather awkward to use bu

Re: RE : RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, John Hughes wrote: > How are you doing the actual backup? I cannot recommend vxdump > too highly, it is rather awkward to use but *MANY* times faster > than tar or find/cpio, especialy if you're doing incremental > backups. We're using amanda going to a RAID array on another

Re: RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, John Hughes wrote: > What's your worry with taking a snapshot on a live system? We > do 4-5 a day on two systems every day of the week. I'm probably misremembering something from our testing, since the load created by running gzip for a few hours is definately more than any

RE : Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-22 Thread John Hughes
> We're using vxfs on solaris, taking a snapshot of the applicable > filesystem, backing up the filesystem, aned then deleting the > snapshot. > > This leads to perfect consistancy, though it does require the > creation of a snapshot on a live system. That's what I do with vxfs on UnixWare. What'

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-21 Thread Jay Levitt
- Original Message - From: "Rob Siemborski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alessandro Oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-21 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Alessandro Oliveira wrote: > I'm planning to code a database backend (postgres/mysql/oracle) in the > future to handle the storage, but this will take time and money, but I > think it is the way to go. > > What do you think about this ? I'm not convinced this will be even clo

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-21 Thread Rob Siemborski
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Steve Barber wrote: > I've seen some interesting comments in this thread so far, but none > seem to discuss our concerns: We have a fairly large installation, > and due to the file-per-message nature this makes for millions of > small files which can wreak havoc on a backup s

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-21 Thread Robert Scussel
On a smaller scale, we use amanda to do nightly backups of the mail spool, and we have successfully recovered after mails have been deleted. With one of our clients, we use standard NetBackup to do nightly backups, which works just as well. As for up to the minute backups though, don't know a g

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-21 Thread Jure Pecar
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:04:22 -0500 Steve Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone successfully implementing any sort of incremental backup > solution in a large production environment? Other than filesystem snapshots (if your underlying volume manager knows about it) i don't see some very us

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-21 Thread Patrick Boutilier
I use TSM to backup my Cyrus mail store. Over 7 million files so it does take TSM almost 8 hours to go through the store on a nightly basis. Steve Barber wrote: I've seen some interesting comments in this thread so far, but none seem to discuss our concerns: We have a fairly large installation

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-21 Thread DAVID G MCMURTRIE
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Steve Barber wrote: > I've seen some interesting comments in this thread so far, but none > seem to discuss our concerns: We have a fairly large installation, > and due to the file-per-message nature this makes for millions of > small files which can wreak havoc on a backup s

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system (lots of inodes!)

2002-11-21 Thread Steve Barber
I've seen some interesting comments in this thread so far, but none seem to discuss our concerns: We have a fairly large installation, and due to the file-per-message nature this makes for millions of small files which can wreak havoc on a backup system. We're using VXFS on Solaris, but are using

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-21 Thread Alessandro Oliveira
I'm new to cyrus, just testing it for 2 weeks and getting very good reviews from our users. I think cyrus it is a very powerful piece of software, in addition it does a wonderful job with a very small footprint, on the other hand, a good backup solution is our chief concern, our current backup

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-20 Thread Lawrence Greenfield
It would be nice to add a backup section to the documentation. Live backup is supported with Cyrus, though running "dump" on a live filesystem is only to be done with care. We use vxfs on Solaris and snapshots and have been happy with it. The databases are backed up by Cyrus 2.1 every checkpoin

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-20 Thread Bryntez
there's not too many of them :-) Regards bryntez - Original Message - From: "John Lederer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Best way to backup cyrus system > As another newbie, I was sure

Re: Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-19 Thread John Lederer
As another newbie, I was sure hoping someone would share their experience here. :) I would add to Boris' question what the best way would be to create poor man's redundancy. I do not necessarily need true failover (though it would be nice) but a way to quickly setup a second machine with near

Best way to backup cyrus system

2002-11-18 Thread php
Dear all, I would like to know the best way of backup/restore cyrus system. What are the steps required? Are there "online backup" methods available? What are the files required to backup and how can I restore it on the same machine/ another machine? Many thanks! Boris --