Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-06 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Tadziu, > There's also pandoc, a markdown implementation (markdown is pretty > similar to reStructuredText) which has a groff man backend. It > probably wouldn't be to hard to extend this from man to other macro > packages. > > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/try Interesting, thanks. I

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-06 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> I've wondered about doing this and in particular noticed that the > various utilities for converting from, e.g. reStructuredText, > > http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html > > don't have troff backends although they may have LaTeX ones, e.g. > rst2latex. I'm guessing this is because th

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-05 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Peter, > FWIW, I write structured plain text files and pass them through sed to > introduce groff or LaTex formatting. Aside from keeping the files > clean/readable, it makes things easier when I want to recycle > them--say, into html. I've wondered about doing this and in particular noticed

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Clarke Echols
Sounds like the author needs training in usability. Sections can be emphasized without headings markup. I've been writing professionally for 30 years, and it amazes me what some "writers" who claim to be pro's actually produce. :-( Does she understand what her readers are looking for? In other

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Izma
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:05:27PM +0100, Keith Marshall wrote: > Subject: Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software > > On Thursday 04 June 2009 01:36:10 Steve Izma wrote: > > Pdflatex is just a tool for > > going from latex source files to PDF output --a convenience tool, >

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Izma
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:11:18PM -0400, Peter Schaffter wrote: > Subject: Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software > > FWIW, I write structured plain text files and pass them through sed > to introduce groff or LaTex formatting. Aside from keeping the > files clean/readable, it make

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Larry Kollar
Joerg van den Hoff wrote: >>> groff is a single pass formatter, LaTeX is multi-pass. >> >> Not sure what you mean by this, but groff and TeX are >> pretty much the same in this regard. Both are single-pass >> formatters... both require multiple >> invocations to enable forward references at all.

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Larry Kollar
John¹ wrote: > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who > did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using either > Groff or LaTex to produce print ready text. Can anyone briefly tell me if > Groff does the same job as LaTex? > > Obviously there wi

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > > Formatting directives in LaTeX are much more verbose. If you really > > > have to type all that stuff (instead of using editor shortcuts or > > > what else) it gets in the way a bit. > > > > I don't think this is really

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> Not sure what you're getting at here. Pdflatex is just a tool for > going from latex source files to PDF output --a convenience tool, > like lilypond --pdf; I think someone has crafted a shortform to > accomplish this with groff as well, but given the filtering > abilities of groff (with PS outp

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Jun 03 2009 (Wed, 23:53), Jan-Herbert Damm wrote: > Hello, > > thank you everybody for this very interesting thread!! > > as someone who came to groff via it's makro-sets (mom in my case): may i ask > for a short indication on how to accomplish this (or where to find it in TFM): > > > last no

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Steve Izma wrote: > I also find it much safer to keep a copy of the output of a complex > project (like a book) as well as the source code; macro package > interaction with groff can change in subtle ways over the years and > you can't count on reproducing a book in precisely the same way by > re-

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Keith Marshall
On Thursday 04 June 2009 01:36:10 Steve Izma wrote: > Pdflatex is just a tool for > going from latex source files to PDF output --a convenience tool, > like lilypond --pdf; I think someone has crafted a shortform to > accomplish this with groff as well, I suspect you may be referring to my `pdfrof

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> I meant: the functionality is in place. you call latex a few > times on the same document and than you get the correctly > formatted document. With groff this sure does not work > this way. Okay, I see what you mean. However, to be fair to groff as a typesetting engine, this sort of functiona

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > Formatting directives in LaTeX are much more verbose. If you really > > have to type all that stuff (instead of using editor shortcuts or > > what else) it gets in the way a bit. > > I don't think this is really an issue. I find that when working on a > document, only

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-04 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Jun 03 2009 (Wed, 20:57), Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > > One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: creating > nontrivial tables with tbl+roff is *much* easier than > with LaTeX (in part thanks to tbl's "n" (numeric) format > specifier). > > > > groff is a single pass formatter, LaTeX is multi-pas

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Steve Izma
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:57:32PM +0200, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > Subject: Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software > > > using 'pdflatex' on the other hand allows to keep > > everything as pdf. that's nicer. > > PDF sucks. It's not programmable, and m

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Jan-Herbert Damm
Hello, thank you everybody for this very interesting thread!! as someone who came to groff via it's makro-sets (mom in my case): may i ask for a short indication on how to accomplish this (or where to find it in TFM): > > last not least: groff can produce reasonably formatting of ASCII > > docu

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Dorai Sitaram
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:55:23AM +0100, John¹ wrote: > > Subject: [Groff] Typesetting Software > > > > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who > > did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using either > >

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: creating nontrivial tables with tbl+roff is *much* easier than with LaTeX (in part thanks to tbl's "n" (numeric) format specifier). > groff is a single pass formatter, LaTeX is multi-pass. Not sure what you mean by this, but groff and TeX are pretty muc

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Steve Izma
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:55:23AM +0100, John¹ wrote: > Subject: [Groff] Typesetting Software > > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who > did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using either > Groff or LaTex to produce p

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009, John? wrote: > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who > did the typesetting. On the basis of your opening, I suggest, in addition to other members' comments, that you take a look at the mom macro set for groff. I'm assuming that, besides se

Re: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Jun 03 2009 (Wed, 8:55), John¹ wrote: > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who > did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using either > Groff or LaTex to produce print ready text. Can anyone briefly tell me if > Groff does the same job as

RE: [Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread Ted Harding
On 03-Jun-09 07:55:23, John¹ wrote: > Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those > who did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using > either Groff or LaTex to produce print ready text. Can anyone briefly > tell me if Groff does the same job as LaTex?

[Groff] Typesetting Software

2009-06-03 Thread John¹
Many years ago, when type used to be set by hand, I was one of those who did the typesetting. I am now looking at the methodology of using either Groff or LaTex to produce print ready text. Can anyone briefly tell me if Groff does the same job as LaTex? Obviously there will be a bias in asking