Re: [Groff] Migration to automake

2014-03-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I've seen all the arguments before; I remain unconvinced. For me, the > bottom line is that I can't write a really effective configure script, > without assistance from autoconf; I *can* write a completely effective > Makefile.in, without interference from automake. Well, while I like to do a

Re: [Groff] Migration to automake

2014-03-14 Thread Keith Marshall
We have differing perspectives; if I worked exclusively on GNU projects, perhaps I would have a different POV. However, I do find it disturbing that a significant number of the problems raised on the autoconf ML are ultimately identified as automake or libtool failings; in addition, I get the impr

Re: [Groff] Migration to automake;

2014-03-13 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> . It automatically generates all the necessary targets in the >> Makefile. > > Depends on your definition of "necessary". The targets mandated by the GNU coding standard. >> . It ensures correct dependency handling. > > What does this mean? GCC tracked dependencies? They are trivial to >

Re: [Groff] Migration to automake; (was: Tiny make patch: avoid Netpbm dependency)

2014-03-13 Thread Keith Marshall
On 13/03/14 17:13, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> Well, I will not be participating in that; > > :-) > >> it's a personal view, but I firmly believe that automake *creates* >> more problems than it solves > > Which ones? Maybe your biased view is related to mingw? Not entirely. I freely admit that