Hello alls,
"Grigoriy A. Sitkarev" wrote:
> While there is one exceptional sociological and
> psychological phenomena with groff/troff (as a part of Unix
> culture), which is still a point to study. The groff mail‐
> ing list joins three generations of very interesting people:
> ‘‘grandfat
I am glad to hear that my efforts were not useless. In my
childhood I had a set of Meccano‐like toys and I find your
analogy to be well‐suited to describe the process of type‐
setting with troff too.
I also want to thank you, Peter, for your mom package. Some
ideas I took from your packag
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012, Grigoriy A. Sitkarev wrote:
> Let me please express my opinion and share experience.
I enjoyed your musings.
For me, groff is like somebody handing me a printer's version of a
Mecano set and saying: "Here, go build something cool."
--
Peter Schaffter
Author of The Binbro
Excuse me to give a bad example!
The second eqn example must be read like this:
.EQ
P sub back 20 g = 10
.EN
--
Grisha
05.10.2012 05:11, Grigoriy A. Sitkarev пишет:
Let me please express my opinion and share experience.
Let me please express my opinion and share experience.
I am not a long‐time groff user, but I use it exclusively
for about two years to typeset my papers and short booklets.
There are people here in the list who have used original
troff when I wasn’t born yet. Some of them participated i
I had to chuckle at this
> I can't believe it fits in 10M.
Back when troff was drilled into my fingers, it fit in 64K
program space plus 64K data space. Each preprocessor got
a similar allotment. Roff, the predecessor of troff, fit
in 8K total. Some features have been
> One of my regrets is that there is no troff interface for
> Lilypond...
Hmm, being an active LilyPond developer also (but rather for the
lilypond fonts and not lilypond-book, the LaTeX-lilypond interface
program), I think you should ask there, at least to register this as a
request.
Werne
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 02:54:10PM +0100, Denis M. Wilson wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Groff] Macro packages
>
> One of my regrets is that there is no troff interface for Lilypond...
One of my regrets, as well. Lilypond's basic input system works
very well, I find, but I haven'
Hello all,
Pierre-Jean, you ask for experiences of users. My own is
that I used troff for all academic documentation, once Unix
was obtained, but once groff appeared (in the early 1990s)
writing troff macros became easier (well, less difficult).
I did a great number of newsletters and handbooks,
Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> Another factor is size. A modern latex
> distribution, i.e. texlive is enormous.
That's why some people are building the minimal Kertex
distribution. They want Tex to be like Troff !
Pierre-Jean.
From: Pierre-Jean
> This could help me to resolve my personal "TeX vs
> Groff" advantages and disadvantages dilemma (And other peoâ
> ple reading the mailing list too).
This has been discussed a lot here. It also have been
discussed on plan9 m
Hello,
trebol wrote:
> So maybe I’ll try ms, I
> find it more simple (the groff_ms man page show me in a cou‐
> ple of lines all the basic things I want to do in a simple
> way), and like Ralph suggests, extend it with my own macros
> to fill my needs.
That's the step I followed four years
trebol:
>Thanks Aton.I think it's good that the
> hyphenation character is independent of the rest
> of the glyph's assigna- tions. For now I'll let
> you rest of my newbie's questions, and I will con-
> tinue studying how groff works. But I think in
> a short time I'm go
> I see you are still having ‐ as the hyphenation
> character. You can specify a different character,
> the ASCII '-' for example, in unicode.tmac or else-
> where using the .shc request:
>
> .shc -
Thanks Aton. I think it's good that the hyphenation
character is independent of th
trebol:
> [...] so I'm going to follow the Anton's advise.
I see you are still having \(hy as the hyphenation
character. You can specify a different character,
the ASCII '-' for example, in unicode.tmac or else-
where using the .shc request:
.shc -
--
() ascii ribbon campaign - agains
> Perhaps you can use the \o escape to write the appropriate accent
> if you want to stick with ASCII. Therefore, you can write "year" as
> a\o'n~'o without people getting confused with the rear hatch of the
> human body. :)
Thanks Luis, but if I had to write and correct a 300 pages
spanish text
trebol writes:
> isn't necessary for a spanish like me write ano instead of
[chomp...]
I speak Spanish and I should probably be offended by this :)
Perhaps you can use the \o escape to write the appropriate accent
if you want to stick with ASCII. Therefore, you can write "year" as
a\o'n~'o wi
> You can put the modified unicode.tmac in your
> site-tmac directory and leave the original file un-
> changed. site-tmac is checked first and its con-
> tents are preferred to those in tmac. Or you can
> follow Ralph's advice and override those mapping
> right in the source.
trebol:
> > > I can use -Tascii, but as you may have no-
> > > ticed, I'm not a English speaker, so I need
> > > send utf8 mail, and formating with groff makes
> > > the work easy. Any advice?
> >
> > Comment the mappings in share\groff\1.20.1\tmac\
> > unicode.tmac. This file is automati
> > I can use -Tascii, but as you may have noticed,
> > I'm not a English speaker, so I need send utf8
> > mail, and formating with groff makes the work
> > easy. Any advice?
>
> Comment the mappings in share\groff\1.20.1\tmac\
> unicode.tmac. This file is automatically loaded by
Hi trebol,
> Yes, I had not realize!. I've been playing with groff in mutt using
> nvi: "groff -k -p -e -t -ms -Tutf8 -P -cobu"; and you are right, its
> changing the `-'.
>
> I can use -Tascii, but as you may have noticed, I'm not a English
> speaker, so I need send utf8 mail, and formating with
trebol:
> I can use -Tascii, but as you may have noticed,
> I'm not a English speaker, so I need send utf8
> mail, and formating with groff makes the work
> easy. Any advice?
Comment the mappings in share\groff\1.20.1\tmac\
unicode.tmac. This file is automatically loaded by
the
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 01:58:33PM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi trebol,
>
> > http://plan9.bell‐labs.com/7thEdMan/vol2/msmacros.bun
>
> That's really http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/bswv7.html with a real
> ASCII minus sign. :-)
>
> Cheers, Ralph.
>
Yes, I had not realize!. I've bee
Hi trebol,
> http://plan9.bell‐labs.com/7thEdMan/vol2/msmacros.bun
That's really http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/bswv7.html with a real
ASCII minus sign. :-)
Cheers, Ralph.
> All of them are able to create these types of documents. It is a
> matter on how hard is to learn the commands and use them. In my
> opinion, try each of them and use the one that you like.
I think you are right Luis. I’m going to start with ms,
thanks.
> Because it’s been in my fingers fo
Correction. Lesk's intro to -ms is at
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/vol2/msmacros.bun
Sorry for the error,
Doug McIlroy
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012, trebol wrote:
> ...but for now I prefer play with the gear, nuts and bolts and
> keep me near the groff’s bases to learn the system so
> maybe I’ll try ms
Given how you want to approach learning groff, ms would be my
choice, too.
--
Peter Schaffter
Author of The Binbrook
> Can anyone tell me a short introduction to the ms, mm, me, mom macro packages?
Because it's been in my fingers for 30 years, I use ms and the preprocessors
for everything that I'm likely to want to keep the source for. It requires
you to know some underlying troff, for example to set number regi
Thanks, Luis, Brian. This is the sort of testimony I’m look‐
ing for.
>I believe mom is a good choice for starting out with groff
>since both the documentation and the macros themselves are
>newbie friendly.
Thanks Peter. I think mom may be in the future the LaTeX of
groff (without waste 1G
trebol writes:
> Hello all,
Hi
> I?m new using groff.
Cool!
> Can anyone tell me a short introduc?
> tion to the ms, mm, me, mom macro packages? I would like to
I have been working with the mm Macros since the 1987. I'm more
familiar with them. However, I've worked on some of these set
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012, trebol wrote:
> Hello all,
> I’m new using groff. Can anyone tell me a short introduc‐
> tion to the ms, mm, me, mom macro packages?
A short introduction to the mom macros can be had by reading
intro.html
using.html
in the mom html documentation. The FILES section o
Hi trebol,
> I’m new using groff. Can anyone tell me a short introduction to the
> ms, mm, me, mom macro packages? I would like to know the opinion of
> someone who has used these packages for all types of works (math,
> literature, ...). I’m reading "Unix text processing", "Troff user
> manual
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 07:10:56PM +0100, trebol wrote:
> Hello all,
> I’m new using groff. Can anyone tell me a short introduc‐
> tion to the ms, mm, me, mom macro packages? I would like to
> know the opinion of someone who has used these packages for
> all types of works (math, literature,
Hello all,
I’m new using groff. Can anyone tell me a short introduc‐
tion to the ms, mm, me, mom macro packages? I would like to
know the opinion of someone who has used these packages for
all types of works (math, literature, ...). I’m reading
"Unix text processing", "Troff user manual
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