Re: On computerese

2024-09-12 Thread Jan Eden
On 2024-09-12 09:46, Douglas McIlroy wrote: > There it festered, right in the middle of Branden's otherwise high literary > style: "use cases". I've despaired over the term ever since it wormed its > way into computer folks' vocabulary. How does a "use case" differ from a > "use"? Or, what's the u

Re: vim :hardcopy equivalent

2024-07-22 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Marcus, On 2024-07-21 20:33, me.gr...@mro.name wrote: > Hi list, > > after years of doing my administrative letters with vim :hardcopy plus some > settings[1], I'd like to move on to groffing them with identical look and be > indepenent of the editor. > > So, typewriter look, significant w

Re: Re: Changing header/footer font in mm

2024-04-23 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, On 2024-04-24 00:07, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > [self-follow-up] > > I had forgotten about a contribution Nikita Ivanov made in 2022. > > At 2024-04-21T23:52:48-0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > For mm, what I would do is set up the mounting positions to replace > > Times with

Re: Re: Avoid page break in tables without box option

2024-04-23 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, On 2024-04-23 15:11, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Jan, > > At 2024-04-23T10:56:38+0200, Jan Eden wrote: > > On 2024-04-23 01:10, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Bracket your table with the `DS` and `DE` macros. > > > > This works great, bu

Re: Re: Avoid page break in tables without box option

2024-04-23 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, On 2024-04-23 01:10, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Jan, > > At 2024-04-23T07:28:41+0200, Jan Eden wrote: > > enclosing a table in a box avoids page breaks within the table > > reliably for me – is it possible to get the same behaviour without the > > b

Re: Re: Avoid page break in tables without box option

2024-04-23 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Thomas, On 2024-04-23 10:14, Thomas Dupond via wrote: > Jan Eden a écrit : > > Unfortunately, I failed to describe my requirements properly – sorry > > again. My document contains multiple relatively small tables, and each > > table should appear on exactly one page (

Re: Re: Avoid page break in tables without box option

2024-04-23 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, On 2024-04-23 01:59, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > The foregoing advice could probably use some fine-tuning. Is it okay to > use *roff diversions if you let a macro package that ships with groff do > it for you? > > You seem to be bumping into an anticipated issue, though. > > groff

Re: Re: Avoid page break in tables without box option

2024-04-22 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, On 2024-04-23 01:10, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Jan, > > At 2024-04-23T07:28:41+0200, Jan Eden wrote: > > enclosing a table in a box avoids page breaks within the table > > reliably for me – is it possible to get the same behaviour without the > > b

Avoid page break in tables without box option

2024-04-22 Thread Jan Eden
Hi, enclosing a table in a box avoids page breaks within the table reliably for me – is it possible to get the same behaviour without the box? - Jan signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Re: gropdf, Ghostscript, and file sizes

2024-04-22 Thread Jan Eden
probably the massive difference in size is due to embedding the whole > font in the PDF document, I assume. > > Best, Oliver. > > On 22/04/2024 16:56, Jan Eden wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I learned that gropdf in general tends to create larger files than a > &

gropdf, Ghostscript, and file sizes

2024-04-22 Thread Jan Eden
Hi, I learned that gropdf in general tends to create larger files than a combination of groff and Ghostscript (ps2pdf): groff -Tps test.tr | ps2pdf - test.pdf → 18K groff -t -Tpdf test.tr > test.pdf → 313K This holds true even when pdf is specified as groff's output device and the output is then

Re: A primer on font installation for groff (was: gropdf(1)'s 'Font installation' section is opaque to me)

2024-04-18 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Alejandro, On 2024-04-18 20:33, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Alex, > > At 2024-04-19T00:29:37+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > > While the above is interesting, I've already read similar explanations > > from you in related threads. However, I still have no clue of how to > > drop TINOR f

Re: Re: Incorrect list item spacing after pagebreak

2024-04-18 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Peter, On 2024-04-18 13:42, Peter Schaffter wrote: > Jan -- > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, Jan Eden wrote: > > if a list with spaced, single-line items (.ITEM 0.25v) continues across > > a pagebreak in a mom document, the space between the first and the > > second

Re: Re: Changing header/footer font in mm

2024-04-18 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, On 2024-04-18 14:47, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Jan, > > At 2024-04-18T07:11:44+0200, Jan Eden wrote: > > there is probably a really simple solution to this, > > Not exactly. At the time the mm(7) macro package was developed by the > Unix Su

Re: gropdf(1)'s 'Font installation' section is opaque to me

2024-04-18 Thread Jan Eden
On 2024-04-18 18:00, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > Hi, > > I find the following section very opaque. > > Font installation > The following is a step‐by‐step font installation guide for > gropdf. > > • Convert your font to something groff understands. This is a >

Incorrect list item spacing after pagebreak

2024-04-17 Thread Jan Eden
Hi, if a list with spaced, single-line items (.ITEM 0.25v) continues across a pagebreak in a mom document, the space between the first and the second item on the new page is not correct. The effect is demonstrated on page 13 and in the bibliography section (pages 22-26) of the document at https://

Changing header/footer font in mm

2024-04-17 Thread Jan Eden
Hi, there is probably a really simple solution to this, but I cannot find it in the docs. When selecting a default font in a mm document like this – .nr N 1 .fam H . .TL Title .AU "Author" .MT 4 . .H 1 "First Heading" .P Some text. – all text is set in Helvetica, except for the header/footer (Ti

Re: Re: mom, mm, and PDF files

2024-04-16 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Branden, this is great – thanks for both the explanation (re: font-subsetting) and the positive outlook on the future of groff's macro packages. - Jan On 2024-04-16 13:00, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi Jan, > > At 2024-04-16T19:32:18+0200, Jan Eden wrote: > > after u

Re: Re: Enumerator spacing in bullet lists with mom

2024-04-16 Thread Jan Eden
Hi Peter, On 2024-04-16 13:22, Peter Schaffter wrote: > Jan -- > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2024, Jan Eden wrote: > > I am currently testing the mom and mm macro packages, and noticed that > > mom uses sensible defaults for almost anything out of the box. > > > >

mom, mm, and PDF files

2024-04-16 Thread Jan Eden
Hi, after using LaTeX (pdflatex) for several years, I am testing groff (with mom and mm) to create PDF documents for the first time. With mom, the process is straightforward: A PDF outline is created automatically, the TOC entries are linked to the headings, and additional PDF links can be create

Re: Re: Enumerator spacing in bullet lists with mom

2024-04-16 Thread Jan Eden
On 2024-04-16 13:57, Thomas Dupond wrote: > Le 2024-04-16 à 12:18, Jan Eden a écrit : > > [...] > > > > > > You could do something like this: > > > > > > .LIST USER "\[bu]\h[0.3c]" > > > .ITEM > > > First item >

Re: Re: Enumerator spacing in bullet lists with mom

2024-04-16 Thread Jan Eden
On 2024-04-16 10:04, Thomas Dupond wrote: > Le 2024-04-16 à 09:49, Jan Eden a écrit : > > [...] > > > > > You can see what a list should look like thanks to the document > > > "mon_premier_doc.pdf" provided with your groff install. > > > &

Re: Re: Enumerator spacing in bullet lists with mom

2024-04-16 Thread Jan Eden
Salut Thomas, On 2024-04-16 09:13, Thomas Dupond wrote: > Hello Jan, > > Jan Eden a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I am currently testing the mom and mm macro packages, and noticed that > > mom uses sensible defaults for almost anything out of the box. > > >

Enumerator spacing in bullet lists with mom

2024-04-15 Thread Jan Eden
.TITLE "Some Title" .AUTHOR "Jan Eden" .PRINTSTYLE TYPESET .FAMILY Garamond .START .HEADING 1 "First Heading" .PP Some text ... .LIST .ITEM First item .ITEM Second item .LIST OFF Creating a similar document with mm (with the .BL macro) resulted in proper spacing. - Jan