Re: groff 1.22.4 mandb 2.11.2 man -H tbl not rendered

Hi Brian, At 2023-02-21T08:16:27-0700, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2023-02-21 00:04, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > I'm not quite sure what you're reporting. [...] > > If that isn't it, can you supply me with a malfunctioning specimen, > > and describe what you expected? > > Just another data point

Re: seeming repetition in info manual

Hi Dave, At 2023-02-21T18:07:12-0600, Dave Kemper wrote: > Certainly not a showstopper of any sort, but one oddity: > doc/groff.texi documents the .sp request by saying "Space downward by > @var{distance}. With no argument, the drawing position is advanced > downward by one vee." This is followe

Re: [Optional] versus parameters

Hi John, I think I can speak to this. At 2023-02-22T16:24:33+1100, John Gardner wrote: > What's the recommended convention for marking up *required* arguments? > Square brackets indicate optional arguments more often than not, and > something like this is ambiguous to readers: > > *upgrade* | *u

[Optional] versus parameters

What's the recommended convention for marking up *required* arguments? Square brackets indicate optional arguments more often than not, and something like this is ambiguous to readers: *upgrade* | *update* *package* This could be interpreted in two different ways (expressed using BNF): := ("upg

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

"G. Branden Robinson" writes: Thank you very much for raising this issue before the final release; this is an important matter that needs to be warned about in the announcement. You're welcome! If you'd like to share your/a surname, I can credit you by your full name as a contributor in

seeming repetition in info manual

Certainly not a showstopper of any sort, but one oddity: doc/groff.texi documents the .sp request by saying "Space downward by @var{distance}. With no argument, the drawing position is advanced downward by one vee." This is followed by four other sentences, and then "If @var{distance} is not spec

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

Hi Branden, On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 19:17 G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > At 2023-02-21T19:06:21+0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote: > > Michael last updated man7.org back in September 2021 (AFAIR). > > No indeed. He updated as recently as December

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

Hi Alex, At 2023-02-21T19:06:21+0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote: > Michael last updated man7.org back in September 2021 (AFAIR). No indeed. He updated as recently as December 2022. https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/dir_by_project.html Note "Extraction date". > Did it really affect yo

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

Hi Branden, On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 10:19 G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Alexis, > > At 2023-02-21T19:02:14+1100, Alexis wrote: > > i've just installed rc3 via the relevant Gentoo ebuild. My Gentoo > > system is mandoc-based, via the `system-man` USE flag. > > > > R

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

At 2023-02-21T22:58:35+1100, John Gardner wrote: > > If I could do something like the following: > > > > .if \n[.mandoc] .als MR IR > > > > To determine if mandoc(1) is being used to format the current page, > use > > .if \n(.f=0 John, THANK YOU! YOU HAVE SAVED MY BACON! > This is what Mono.tm

Re: RS/RE and paragraphing macros

Hi Branden, On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 17:49 G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > At 2023-02-21T11:09:13+0100, Alex Colomar wrote: > > On 2/21/23 01:29, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > > .\" Start a relative inset level (by the amount given in the argument). > > > .

Re: RS/RE and (relative) inset (was: RS/RE and paragraphing macros)

Hi Alex, At 2023-02-21T11:13:00+0100, Alex Colomar wrote: > On 2/21/23 01:18, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > I have tried to write the groff_man(7) page accurately and concisely > > for experienced *roff macro package users, and groff_man_style(7) in > > a more tutorial and accommodating way for n

Re: RS/RE and paragraphing macros

Hi Alex, At 2023-02-21T11:09:13+0100, Alex Colomar wrote: > On 2/21/23 01:29, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > .\" Start a relative inset level (by the amount given in the argument). > > .\" .RS [indent] > > Which reminds us that this was missing in your recent patch, right? :) That was deliberate

Re: groff 1.22.4 mandb 2.11.2 man -H tbl not rendered

On 2023-02-21 00:04, G. Branden Robinson wrote: At 2023-02-20T21:59:33-0700, Brian Inglis wrote: Another data point from current official release; instead of: .TE .TS allbox tab(:); l lx. splitting the man table using: .T& l lx. behaves the same as

Re: groff 1.23.0.rc3 available for testing

This builds faithfully on macOS with no hassles whatsoever (using `./configure && make -j4 && make check && make install`). Unfortunately, its man pages will remain unreadable on most sites unless we deal with mandoc(1)'s mangling of the new man(7) macros. Even if Ingo were to fix this today, ther

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

Hi Branden, > If I could do something like the following: > > .if \n[.mandoc] .als MR IR > To determine if mandoc(1) is being used to format the current page, use .if \n(.f=0 This is what Mono.tmac uses

Re: RS/RE and paragraphing macros

Hi Branden, On 2/21/23 01:09, G. Branden Robinson wrote: [...] Not completely. I will go ahead and quote more of groff_man_style(7). I was at great pains to craft this material. Horizontal and vertical spacing The indentation argument accepted by .IP, .TP, and the deprecated .HP

Re: RS/RE and (relative) inset (was: RS/RE and paragraphing macros)

On 2/21/23 01:18, G. Branden Robinson wrote: Hi Alex, Hi Branden, At 2023-02-21T00:37:55+0100, Alex Colomar wrote: I'm not convinced about this change: @@ -1976,7 +1978,7 @@ or or its synonyms is called; these clear the indentation entirely. . -Relative insets created by +Insets cre

Re: RS/RE and paragraphing macros

Hi Branden, On 2/21/23 01:29, G. Branden Robinson wrote: At 2023-02-21T00:46:11+0100, Alex Colomar wrote: On 2/21/23 00:30, Alex Colomar wrote: Hummm, this is definitely not as simple as "breaks the line and moves the margin".  The margin is not moved because of 0, so this should be just equiv

Re: rc3: groff man pages truncated by mandoc(1)

Hi Alexis, At 2023-02-21T19:02:14+1100, Alexis wrote: > i've just installed rc3 via the relevant Gentoo ebuild. My Gentoo > system is mandoc-based, via the `system-man` USE flag. > > Running `man` - actually the `mandoc` binary - still works fine > overall, but not with the new groff man pages. F

Re: [platform-testers] verification instructions for groff 1.23.0.rc2

"G. Branden Robinson" writes: > Unable to negotiate with 213.178.77.185 port 22: no matching > key > exchange method found. Their offer: > gss-group1-sha1-toWM5Slw5Ew8Mqkay+al2g==,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 i believe the releva

rc3: groff man pages truncated

Hi all, i've just installed rc3 via the relevant Gentoo ebuild. My Gentoo system is mandoc-based, via the `system-man` USE flag. Running `man` - actually the `mandoc` binary - still works fine overall, but not with the new groff man pages. For example, `man groff_man_style` produces this a