Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros"

2021-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 09 Aug 07:33 -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Yup; as noted in my previous reply, this was a mistake on my part, > arising from a lack of access to authentic documentation. I'll fix it. And fixed it is in the latest HEAD. Thanks, Branden! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that

Re: mm(7) DT string and super/subscripts (was: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros")

2021-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 09 Aug 10:05 -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > It's interesting to me that the following two are not equivalent. > > foo\v'-.5'\s-4bar\s0\v'.5' > foo\u\s-4bar\s0\d > > Our use of the term "half-line motion" might require some clarification. I see the groff.7.man file in G

Re: mm(7) DT string and super/subscripts (was: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros")

2021-08-09 Thread Robert Goulding
While we're on the subject of footnote markers/superscripts, including the -me macros: I have always disliked the way that that macro set added line spacing to accommodate the footnote marker. Maybe that was necessary in older output devices; but it looks very ugly in modern laser printed output. I

Re: mm(7) DT string and super/subscripts (was: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros")

2021-08-09 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2021-08-09T09:11:50-0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > So far I've not read much of the book[1] closely. I have skimmed > through Chapter 4 and on page 4-117 (page 247 of the PDF) is a table > of the available MM strings. Given that I've seen example dates from > 1987/88, this list may be quite clos

Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros"

2021-08-09 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2021-08-09T23:28:57+1000, Damian McGuckin wrote: > On Mon, 9 Aug 2021, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > > There is clear evidence of tmac.s in Version 6 Unix (1975)[1]. > > PWB Unix is 1977. But get input from someone who was around at the > time. I like documentary sources. Version 10 Researc

Re: mm(7) DT string and super/subscripts (was: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros")

2021-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 09 Aug 07:12 -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Hi, Nate! Good morning, Branden. > I took it out as part of commit 4f3b1e33[1], 13 July (just a few weeks > ago). I was revising the material that had to do with the `ISODATE` > macro and `Iso` register, both of which are groff extension

Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM -

2021-08-09 Thread Mike Bianchi
> My own research undertaken for updating Larry Kollar's ms.ms suggests > that there were several revisions of Lesk's ms manual. I was there at the time; mid-1970s. Michael Lesk's ms came out of the Bell Labs research area where UNIX was invented and refined. The target audience was the folk i

Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros"

2021-08-09 Thread Damian McGuckin
On Mon, 9 Aug 2021, G. Branden Robinson wrote: There is clear evidence of tmac.s in Version 6 Unix (1975)[1]. PWB Unix is 1977. But get input from someone who was around at the time. Why not use the preprocessor eqn(1) which means using definining the delimiter at the start of the document w

Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros"

2021-08-09 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi, Damian! At 2021-08-09T21:30:08+1000, Damian McGuckin wrote: > > What I have been able to ascertain is that MM was an evolution and > > extension of MS by Bell Labs as both originated there. > > Hmmm. Not sure. I think young Doug was there when they both started > and could enlighten us. I am

mm(7) DT string and super/subscripts (was: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros")

2021-08-09 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi, Nate! At 2021-08-09T03:12:42-0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > What I have been able to ascertain is that MM was an evolution and > extension of MS by Bell Labs as both originated there. Also, I think > that either MS or MM is relatively easy to learn for anyone versed in > MAN, though there are d

Re: Refer database fields (was: Re: Why does refer(1) have no database field for =?UTF-8?Q?=20"edition"?)?=

2021-08-09 Thread pierrejean.fic...@posteo.net
Hello alls, To add to the discussion concerning refer, here is an excerpt of my past work and choices on that subject. There's an ISO standart which defines the needed and optional fields of a bibliography list, as well as their order: ISO-690. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_690 It's u

Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros"

2021-08-09 Thread Damian McGuckin
Nate, On Mon, 9 Aug 2021, Nate Bargmann wrote: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/mac/a_ux/aux_2.0/030-0761-A_AUX_Text_Processing_Tools_1990.pdf Thanks for that little gem. Thank you Apple. as I was looking for a letterhead recipe. The example shown in Chapter 2 of the book worked flawlessl

Re: troff Memorandum Macros documentation derived from the paper "MM - Memorandum Macros"

2021-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
First, thanks for the replies, they are instructive. To close the loop on this thread, thanks especially to Kurt and Branden for providing resources on MM and MS. I read through both and I was working with MM and then started leaning toward MS until a few days ago when I discovered this document: