Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread Dave Kemper
On 12/21/20, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > I thought you and I worked to fix this earlier this year? We did do some work in this section, but I don't recall addressing this terminology in particular. At the time, it seemed pretty small potatoes. Taken as a whole, I believe the section is perfect

Re: [PROPOSAL] time zones and reproducible builds (was: How to make groff use local timezone?)

2020-12-21 Thread Wim Stockman
Hello fellow groffers, As a consumer , archiver of pdf documents, image files and others. I'm confronted with all that goes wrong when trying to keep systemdates of file synced and keep the same as the original creation date. I've had so many issues with systemdates that or wrongly set , or a webd

Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2020-12-21T17:07:10-0600, Dave Kemper wrote: > On 12/20/20, Peter Schaffter wrote: > > Perhaps I should have been more verbose and written: According > > to the info(1) manual, initially both the WORD_SPACE_SIZE and > > SENTENCE_SPACE_SIZE are 12; since this prevents SS from being larger > > th

Re: groff_mdoc(7): Add link to mandoc project.

2020-12-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Ingo! At 2020-12-20T17:16:38+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > G. Branden Robinson wrote on Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 03:38:54AM -0500: > > commit ca0dfa5ff724eaf21a8b79f4ee825979ef3294fc > > Author: G. Branden Robinson > > AuthorDate: Sun Dec 20 14:10:09 2020 +1100 > > > > groff_mdoc(7): Add link

Re: groff_mdoc(7): Document .Lk and .Mt macros.

2020-12-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Ingo! At 2020-12-20T17:08:22+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > G. Branden Robinson wrote on Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 03:38:54AM -0500: > > groff_mdoc(7): Document .Lk and .Mt macros. [...] > > .It Li .Lk > > -To be written. > > +Embed hyperlink. > > +. > > +. > > +.Pp > > +.Dl Usage: .Lk Ao url lin

Re: [mdoc]: Emit diagnostic if .Mt given no arguments.

2020-12-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Ingo! At 2020-12-20T16:38:05+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > G. Branden Robinson wrote on Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 03:38:56AM -0500: > > * tmac/doc.tmac-u (Mt): Emit a usage diagnostic and return if > > called with no arguments. This introduces an incompatiblility > > with mandoc(1),

Re: Is .rd implemented at all?

2020-12-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2020-12-20T22:44:09-0600, Dave Kemper wrote: > On 12/20/20, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > At 2020-12-16T20:30:33-0600, Dave Kemper wrote: > >> Ubuntu is a Debian-derived distro, and the concurrent "local timezone" > >> thread here points out Debian's proclivity to customize groff in > >> incom

Re: [PROPOSAL] time zones and reproducible builds (was: How to make groff use local timezone?)

2020-12-21 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2020-12-21T23:33:18+, Deri wrote: > On Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:10:25 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > 2. Switch output of date comments embedded by output drivers off by > > default, and add a common option to reënable them. Document this in > > NEWS. > > 3a. Add a device-ind

Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread M Douglas McIlroy
> According to the info(1) manual, initially both the WORD_SPACE_SIZE and > SENTENCE_SPACE_SIZE are 12; since this prevents SS from being larger > than WS, it effectively disables sentence spacing A careful reading reveals that the second argument of .ss is *extra* spacing, so the default is

Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > For those who have not read it yet: the original > > http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324 > > has unfortunately vanished, but I have saved a copy: > > http://www.usm.uni-muenchen.de/~hoffmann/roff/tmp/typographyspacing.pdf Thank you! I hadn'

Re: "mom": addition of ellipsis causes an over-strike

2020-12-21 Thread Steve Ross via
>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, Steve Ross via wrote: >> In the resulting PDF output file, the ellipsis appears on page 10, >> as expected.  However, on the same line, about six characters >> further to the right, I also see about three characters being >> over-struck, which is unexpected. >> >> I have a

Re: [PROPOSAL] time zones and reproducible builds (was: How to make groff use local timezone?)

2020-12-21 Thread Deri
On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 00:24:15 GMT Dave Kemper wrote: > Are there cases where the timestamp within the file would differ from > the timestamp *of* the file? This typically happens when a file is > edited after it's created -- which could be common with HTML output, > but would seem to be ra

Re: [PROPOSAL] time zones and reproducible builds (was: How to make groff use local timezone?)

2020-12-21 Thread Dave Kemper
On 12/21/20, Deri wrote: > Consider the case where multiple -Z produced groff files, > produced at different times, are combined into one gropdf run. The only > sensible time to include > in the meta-data is the time the pdf was created, why lose potentially > useful information? If you need to k

Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> [...] at least it felt like I was being individually targeted, > so I promptly wilted. I mean of course the famous > > https://slate.com/technology/2011/01/two-spaces-after-a-period-why-you-should-never-ever-do-it.html For those who have not read it yet: the original http://www.heraclitean

Re: [PROPOSAL] time zones and reproducible builds (was: How to make groff use local timezone?)

2020-12-21 Thread Deri
On Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:10:25 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: > 2. Switch output of date comments embedded by output drivers off by > default, and add a common option to reënable them. Document this in > NEWS. > 3a. Add a device-independent output command, something like "x > ti

Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread Dave Kemper
On 12/20/20, Peter Schaffter wrote: > Perhaps I should have been more verbose and written: According > to the info(1) manual, initially both the WORD_SPACE_SIZE and > SENTENCE_SPACE_SIZE are 12; since this prevents SS from being larger > than WS, it effectively disables sentence spacing. Unfortun

Re: End-of-sentence spacing

2020-12-21 Thread Dave Kemper
On 12/20/20, Dorai Sitaram via wrote: > It was neither the only, first, last, or most vituperous critique of Two > Spaces: There has been a rising tide of condemnation of the practice in the > media, as shown by Googling "two spaces after period". As a general rule, you can gauge how seriously to

Re: [PROPOSAL] time zones and reproducible builds (was: How to make groff use local timezone?)

2020-12-21 Thread Dave Kemper
On 12/20/20, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > Thoughts from anyone reading? I concur with all points of this plan.