Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-02-20T20:06:17+0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi, > > after reviewing all feedback, i come to the conclusion that there is no > consensus for the change: > > OPPOSED: Mike Bianchi, Tadziu Hoffmann > SCEPTICAL: Ralph Corderoy > NO EXPLICIT PREFERENCE STATED: Doug McIlroy, Werner Lemberg >

Re: [groff] Upgrade to 1.22.4 breaks PDF font

2019-02-20 Thread Richard Morse
> On Feb 19, 2019, at 6:37 PM, Bertrand Garrigues > wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > On Tue, Feb 19 2019 at 10:58:17 PM, Colin Watson wrote: >> >> It's likely that this is a bug in the Homebrew formula: you can confirm >> this by looking for "URW fonts for pdf" in the configure output (it >> should

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, after reviewing all feedback, i come to the conclusion that there is no consensus for the change: OPPOSED: Mike Bianchi, Tadziu Hoffmann SCEPTICAL: Ralph Corderoy NO EXPLICIT PREFERENCE STATED: Doug McIlroy, Werner Lemberg APPEAR TO NOT OBJECT: Dave Kemper, Jason McIntyre IN FAVOUR: Anth

Re: [groff] Upgrade to 1.22.4 breaks PDF font

2019-02-20 Thread Deri
On Wednesday, 20 February 2019 15:52:23 GMT Ralph Corderoy wrote: > An Ubuntu package search at https://packages.ubuntu.com/ says two > packages provide a010013l.pfb. > > /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/a010013l.pfb gsfonts-x11 > /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/a010013l.pfb gsfonts The de

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ralph, i do not disagree with anything you are saying in the following mail, and did not intend to say anything contradicting the points you clarify, i merely aimed for being shorter and tried to refrain from talking about closing quotes at all because there is no contention with respect to the

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ralph, Ralph Corderoy wrote on Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:23:00PM +: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Somebody (i think Ralph) wrote: >>> Due to some, all?, man renderers trying to keep a shell backquote as >>> a paste-able backquote, for example. >>> >>> .\" For UTF-8, map some characters cons

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Tadziu, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote on Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 06:44:09PM +0100: > Somebody wrote: >> Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: >>> Somebody wrote: ISO 646 removed the ambiguity by assigning the neutral apostrophe to 27h and the grave accent to 60h, but strictly, it isn't "ASCII." >>> So why d

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi John, John Gardner wrote on Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:39:14PM +1100: > Uhm. Is this issue more of a "would like to have" instead of something > objectively problematic? Yes, absolutely. You nail it. It is not the end of the world either way. It is merely polishing a minute detail that occa

Re: [groff] Upgrade to 1.22.4 breaks PDF font

2019-02-20 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Bertrand wrote: > Colin wrote: > > Richard Morse wrote: > > > I just upgraded to groff 1.22.4, and suddenly my files are not > > > turning into PDFs properly. The error is "can't find font NR" (and > > > "NI"). ... > > > Looking at /usr/local/share/groff/1.22.4/font/devpdf, especially > > > wh

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Doug, > By contrast, 80 pages contained ` (0x60) used as a left quote, usually > paired with ' (0x27) but (surprisingly) sometimes with \(aq. Here, cvs(1) is one page that does that a lot. $ zgrep -om3 '`.*aq' cvs.1.gz `Invoking CVS\(aq `Global options\(aq `Password authentica

Re: [groff] [patch] modernize -T ascii rendering of opening single quote

2019-02-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Doug, Doug McIlroy wrote on Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 05:01:26PM -0500: > Someone wrote: >> people aren't aware that their manpage formatter is >> catering to a particular font style that is no longer in >> common use. They just see that man(1) outputs "weird quotes." > As man pages are now, one