Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Keith Marshall
On 22/07/17 11:44, Ralph Corderoy wrote: >> If the order of the groff pipeline is responsible for Erich's problem >> (soelim needs to come before preconv), is this something to change or >> something to document? > > Change has been mooted in the past, including by Werner. > Some old relevant thre

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Keith Marshall
On 22/07/17 21:17, Ted Harding wrote: > On Sat, 2017-07-22 at 15:32 -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:19:29PM +0100, Keith Marshall wrote: >>> On 22/07/17 15:06, John Gardner wrote: ... Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and pretend other enco

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
"E. Hoffmann" wrote: |Am Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:28:04 -0400 |schrieb Peter Schaffter : | |[...] |>> $ soelim foo | preconv | groff -Tutf8 | grep . |>> foo: ÄÖÜ SS ÒÓÔÕŎŌ Ç äöü ß òóôõŏō ç |>> bar: ÄÖÜ SS ÒÓÔÕŎŌ Ç äöü ß òóôõŏō ç |>> $ |>> $ groff -V -Tutf8 -sk foo |>>

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Ted Harding
On Sat, 2017-07-22 at 15:32 -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:19:29PM +0100, Keith Marshall wrote: > > On 22/07/17 15:06, John Gardner wrote: > > > ... Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and > > > pretend other encodings don't exist? > > > > Not really

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Mike Bianchi
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:19:29PM +0100, Keith Marshall wrote: > On 22/07/17 15:06, John Gardner wrote: > > ... Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and > > pretend other encodings don't exist? > > Not really going to happen, for as long as MS-Windows remains the > dominant

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread John Gardner
Really? I didn't know that. Although I haven't used a Windows machine for any serious use in years, and I'm quite happy to uphold that streak. VirtualBox-emulated environments not withstanding... I'll spare this mailing list another aimless anti-Microsoft rant. Sure it's heard plenty before, haha.

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Keith Marshall
On 22/07/17 15:06, John Gardner wrote: > I was bitten by preconv(1) quite recently, actually. Gonna back Ingo > here. Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and > pretend other encodings don't exist? Not really going to happen, for as long as MS-Windows remains the dominant OS

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Mike Bianchi
Woops. Never mind. Mike On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:08:29PM -0400, Mike Bianchi wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 05:00:37PM +0200, E. Hoffmann wrote: > > Am Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:28:04 -0400 > > schrieb Peter Schaffter : > > > > [...]

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Mike Bianchi
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 05:00:37PM +0200, E. Hoffmann wrote: > Am Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:28:04 -0400 > schrieb Peter Schaffter : > > [...] > > > $ soelim foo | preconv | groff -Tutf8 | grep . Is there a reason the preferred solution isn't $ groff -k -s -Tutf8 foo ? see man 1 gr

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Hey, Ingo, Ingo Schwarze wrote: |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote on Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:30:36PM +0200: | |> In my humble opinion preconv has to go as such, |> i just do not know yet. Just talking. | |So much talk... SIIGHH!!! |In mandoc, i completed that work in October 2014: | | http://m

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread E. Hoffmann
Am Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:28:04 -0400 schrieb Peter Schaffter : [...] > > $ soelim foo | preconv | groff -Tutf8 | grep . > > foo: ÄÖÜ SS ÒÓÔÕŎŌ Ç äöü ß òóôõŏō ç > > bar: ÄÖÜ SS ÒÓÔÕŎŌ Ç äöü ß òóôõŏō ç > > $ > > $ groff -V -Tutf8 -sk foo > > preconv foo | soelim | troff -Tutf8

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread John Gardner
I was bitten by preconv(1) quite recently, actually. Gonna back Ingo here. Can I semi-seriously implore the world to only use UTF-8, and pretend other encodings don't exist? Squash everything into the same shuttle as EBCDIC and blast it into the sun. Heh, another recent (and unpleasant) experience

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote on Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:30:36PM +0200: > In my humble opinion preconv has to go as such, > i just do not know yet. Just talking. So much talk... In mandoc, i completed that work in October 2014: http://mandoc.bsd.lv/cgi-bin/cvsweb/preconv.c#rev1.9 "commit me

Re: [Groff] mom : unicode in .INCLUDE'd files

2017-07-22 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Peter, > If the order of the groff pipeline is responsible for Erich's problem > (soelim needs to come before preconv), is this something to change or > something to document? Change has been mooted in the past, including by Werner. Some old relevant threads. https://lists.gnu.org/archive