Re: [Groff] Git question

2014-02-28 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014, Werner Lemberg wrote: > On the other hand, since you were able to successfully commit data > to the CVS, it might also be a temporary glitch on the Savannah > side – I don't know whether git access needs renewed SSH keys. Okay. Thanks. I'll publish a new key and see if that

Re: [Groff] Git question

2014-02-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I tried > > git clone p...@git.sv.gnu.org:/srv/git/groff.git > > and my system spat back > > Cloning into 'groff'... > Permission denied (publickey). > fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly > > Do I need to publish a new key for git access, or is there some > admistrative detail

[Groff] Git question

2014-02-28 Thread Peter Schaffter
I tried git clone p...@git.sv.gnu.org:/srv/git/groff.git and my system spat back Cloning into 'groff'... Permission denied (publickey). fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Do I need to publish a new key for git access, or is there some admistrative detail I should take care of on

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Tethys : > >Where we're probably going is that (a) info will die, to be replaced > >by HTML browsed from within Emacs, and (b) Texinfo will be replaced by > >a modern lightweight format that can render to both print and HTML; > >most likely asciidoc. > > Oh :-( Not great. This sucks for those of u

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Ingo Schwarze : > Consequently, i counsel anybody who has the choice of formatting > tools to avoid asciidoc and DocBook at all cost. Your report is at best grossly exaggerated. Many of the things you call 'bugs' are defensible implementation choices given that the stylesheet is creating an outp

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Tethys
"Eric S. Raymond" writes: >Doug McIlroy : >> Perhaps Gnu's most egregious contribution to Unix >> was to turn texinfo with its paleolithic interface >> into the "complete" documentation with man pages as >> stubs. > >You will be pleased to hear, then, that RMS and I have been >discussing specific

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Eric S. Raymond wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:15:35PM -0500: > most likely asciidoc. To support my claim that this is a terrible idea, i just randonly selected one of the 15 ports in the OpenBSD ports tree and formatted its manuals with it. Here is a list of issues with the generated man

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Deri James
On Fri 28 Feb 2014 21:16:37 Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > When people is lazy to read no formating is enough to > make them happy The reason I prefer a typeset man page is because it aids comprehension of what I am reading. I'm all for an easy life me, anything which smooths the stormy s

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:15:35PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > You will be pleased to hear, then, that RMS and I have been > discussing specifics of how and when to shoot this bad idea > through the head. > > Where we're probably going is that (a) info will die, to be replaced > by HTML browsed

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Eric, while i appreciate your intention to get rid of info(1), what you are proposing here looks like throwing the baby out with the bathwater... Eric S. Raymond wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:15:35PM -0500: > Where we're probably going is that (a) info will die, to be replaced > by HTML br

Re: [Groff] The future redux

2014-02-28 Thread Deri James
On Tue 25 Feb 2014 13:24:15 Eric S. Raymond wrote: > No, no, *no*. PDF on the Web is evil and must die. > > Here's why. It breaks the flatness of URL-space. HTML documents can point > at PDFs, but not *into* PDFs. I get slightly different results. If I use the url:- http://chuzzlewit.co.uk/

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Doug McIlroy : > Perhaps Gnu's most egregious contribution to Unix > was to turn texinfo with its paleolithic interface > into the "complete" documentation with man pages as > stubs. You will be pleased to hear, then, that RMS and I have been discussing specifics of how and when to shoot this bad

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Me again. > Aside: It's a shame cm.bell-labs.com seems down so much of the time > these days. I used to prod Geoff Collyer and he'd fix it but Geoff's > own domain seems ill these days. I might try Russ Cox and see if he > knows the current situation. Seems it's specific to certain IP addresse

Re: [Groff] man pages (tangential to Future Redux)

2014-02-28 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Doug, > > Man pages are not tutorials or complete manuals > > As Federico said, they absolutely should be complete. That might have been me, I certainly think they should be. > Perhaps Gnu's most egregious contribution to Unix was to turn texinfo > with its paleolithic interface into the "co