Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> It's unfortunate that there's not more development collaboration > between groff and Heirloom troff. The code base is *very* different; besides that, Gunnar and I tried to harmonize various extensions to AT&T troff. Werner

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> HT's paragraph-at-once is noticeably superior to groff's > line-at-a-time formatting paradigm, and I'd love to see it > implemented in groff. Volunteers welcome. I have no longer time to real groff development, sorry. Werner

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013, Dave Kemper wrote: > It's unfortunate that there's not more development collaboration between > groff and Heirloom troff. I concur. HT's paragraph-at-once is noticeably superior to groff's line-at-a-time formatting paradigm, and I'd love to see it implemented in groff. I t

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Denis M. Wilson
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:57:31 -0600 Dave Kemper wrote: > > There is no conflict to groff's `inability' to apply it > > automatically. What you really want is a *macro package* which does > > the job. > > Well, having a macro package which does the job is certainly better > than not having it. A

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Dave Kemper
>> You're allowing your typesetting software to paginate, to fill >> lines, to kern, to convert character sequences to appropriate >> ligatures, to stretch spaces for justification, to hyphenate. > > To be a bit pedantic here, pagination is something that's not > completely done automatically by tr

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Dave Kemper
> There is no conflict to groff's `inability' to apply it automatically. > What you really want is a *macro package* which does the job. Well, having a macro package which does the job is certainly better than not having it. And thanks to those who have pointed out macros which do the job: I can

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> "Printing Style Manual" by Victor C. N. Blight, Government Printer Thanks! Out of curiosity, I just ordered a used copy. The book costs 12 Euros, and shipping from Australia costs 18 Euros. :-|

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> You're allowing your typesetting software to paginate, to fill > lines, to kern, to convert character sequences to appropriate > ligatures, to stretch spaces for justification, to hyphenate. To be a bit pedantic here, pagination is something that's not completely done automatically by troff its

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Robert Thorsby
On 11/11/13 21:16:17, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > The other is a musty old tome written a half-century ago, in > the days of hot type, by the State Government Printer. This is > my Bible for it not only tells me How it also tells me Why. It > does not always agree with US or UK manuals, even though

Re: [Groff] rationale for italic correction mechanism?

2013-11-11 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> The other is a musty old tome written a half-century ago, in > the days of hot type, by the State Government Printer. This is > my Bible for it not only tells me How it also tells me Why. It > does not always agree with US or UK manuals, even though there > are certain similarities in the three

Re: [Groff] using Linux Libertine with groff

2013-11-11 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> And here's the design error: The values in the `ligatures' > line of a groff metrics file should be *groff entities*, > not PS glyph names. They were already called ffi, ffl, etc. before Postscript was invented, so it unlikely they are PS glyph names but rather input character sequences for whi

Re: [Groff] using Linux Libertine with groff

2013-11-11 Thread Dave Kemper
>> It should be fairly straightforward to add new hard-coded ligatures >> to the groff source, and to afmtodit. > > Well, the concept of ligatures in the today's font world is much more > complex than 30 years ago, so extending hard-coded values is a no-go > IMHO. I agree, in principle. My thinki