Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Tadziu Hoffmann" > > > I would be nice if you could do that for the other > > cstr ps-files that document classical troff. > > I'll try. Thank you. > Which files will we need? See http://troff.org/papers.html. There are the CSTR-files, but also a lot of other ps-files. Is it posssib

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> I would be nice if you could do that for the other > cstr ps-files that document classical troff. I'll try. Which files will we need?

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Schaffter
Daniel -- On Mon, Feb 04, 2013, Daniel Lyons wrote: > I'm thinking now if I ever want to do footnotes or number headings > or whatever, I should instead customize one of the existing macro > packages. This is my question. I gather this is usually done with > -ms, is that correct? Would anybody

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Tadziu Hoffmann" > > > > (http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/54.ps.gz). > > > > The 54.ps.gz are broken all over the internet. > > Sorry, I had forgotten about that because I had fixed my > downloaded copy. It's actually quite simple: move all > the %%BeginGlobal...%%EndGlobal sectio

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> > (http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/54.ps.gz). > > The 54.ps.gz are broken all over the internet. Sorry, I had forgotten about that because I had fixed my downloaded copy. It's actually quite simple: move all the %%BeginGlobal...%%EndGlobal sections into the prolog (i.e., before %%EndProlog

Re: [Groff] broken documentation for ideal

2013-02-05 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> 103.ps.gz is broken, beginning at page 5. Does anyone have > another format or knows about that? I hacked the PS file to create a PDF that appears to be okay: www.usm.lmu.de/~hoffmann/roff/103.pdf

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Bernd wrote: > Tadziu wrote: > > A good starting point are the tutorial examples in the old Bell Labs > > Computing Science Technical Report #54 > > (http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/54.ps.gz). > > The 54.ps.gz are broken all over the internet. But > http://troff.org/54.pdf works. (The be

Re: [Groff] broken documentation for ideal

2013-02-05 Thread Denis M. Wilson
It looks fine to me (using gv as a viewer), although rough round the edges, as I use the URW not Adobe fonts. The document structure is incomplete, so gv does not display page numbers. Denis On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:55:18 +0100 (CET) "Bernd Warken" wrote: > From troff.org: > > IDEAL User's Manual

Re: [Groff] broken documentation for ideal

2013-02-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/103.ps.gz >> >> 103.ps.gz is broken, beginning at page 5. Does anyone have another >> format or knows about that? >> >> Bernd Warken >> >> > I just opened the above link and for me it's *not* broken (25 pages). Bernd, try to call ghostscript's ps2pdf to get a

Re: [Groff] broken documentation for ideal

2013-02-05 Thread Joachim Walsdorff
Am 05.02.2013 11:55, schrieb Bernd Warken: From troff.org: IDEAL User's Manual. CSTR #103, C. J. Van Wyk, Bell Labs, December 1981. http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/103.ps.gz 103.ps.gz is broken, beginning at page 5. Does anyone have another format or knows about that? Bernd Warken I ju

Re: [Groff] .mso for groff_hdtbl(7)

2013-02-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> -- But why using man and hdtbl together? > > Why not (besides that TTY is not supported yet)? I mean, relying on a large macro package like hdtbl is a bad idea if you want to write real man-pages. However, the man format itself can certainly used for other documentation also, and in case it

Re: [Groff] .mso for groff_hdtbl(7)

2013-02-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> `groff -mhdtbl -man ...´ works for both man and hdtbl with the only > restriction, that hdtbl's .TH is overwritten by man, which doesn't > matter hdtbl because .TH is more optional and one can do the same > with .TD. Using .mso after .TH, you have a working .TH for hdtbl also. > -- But why usi

Re: [Groff] .mso for groff_hdtbl(7)

2013-02-05 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Joachim Walsdorff" > > Am 05.02.2013 09:13, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: > > > > As does > > > >groff -man -hdtbl > > > > :-) > > > > > `groff -mhdtbl -man ...´ works for both man and hdtbl with the only > restriction, that hdtbl's .TH is overwritten by man, which doesn't > matter hdtbl be

[Groff] broken documentation for ideal

2013-02-05 Thread Bernd Warken
>From troff.org: IDEAL User's Manual. CSTR #103, C. J. Van Wyk, Bell Labs, December 1981. http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/103.ps.gz 103.ps.gz is broken, beginning at page 5. Does anyone have another format or knows about that? Bernd Warken

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Pierre-Jean
Daniel Lyons wrote: > I'm fairly new to groff. Me too, I'm a four year old troffer. > I'm thinking now if I ever want to do footnotes or number > headings or whatever, I should instead customize one of > the existing macro packages. This is my question. I think there's four ways of using trof

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Bernd Warken
> Von: "Tadziu Hoffmann" > > A good starting point are the tutorial examples in the > old Bell Labs Computing Science Technical Report #54 > (http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/54.ps.gz). The 54.ps.gz are broken all over the internet. But http://troff.org/54.pdf works. Bernd Warken

Re: [Groff] .mso for groff_hdtbl(7)

2013-02-05 Thread Joachim Walsdorff
Am 05.02.2013 09:13, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: In my man-page is everything ok, as soon as I use the .mso line, even groffer in tty mode. Using `groff -man -mhdtbl ...' leads to errors, even without any output. 2 `-m' parameters seem to be illegal. Well, in this very case Bernd is right: You

Re: [Groff] replicating official memo

2013-02-05 Thread Tadziu Hoffmann
> I'm thinking now if I ever want to do footnotes or number > headings or whatever, I should instead customize one of > the existing macro packages. If you're doing this (mostly) for fun and to really learn troff, I suggest you try to cobble together your own macros for this first. Then you can

Re: [Groff] .mso for groff_hdtbl(7)

2013-02-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> In my man-page is everything ok, as soon as I use the .mso line, >> even groffer in tty mode. >> >> Using `groff -man -mhdtbl ...' leads to errors, even without any >> output. 2 `-m' parameters seem to be illegal. Well, in this very case Bernd is right: You *must* write .TH .mso hdtbl.t