Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Dan Kegel
Tony Sleep wrote: as the little guy can always use his ISP's mail server. If only it was that easy! How many subscribers do you have? If it's under 1, maybe pair.com's service would do. http://www.pair.com/pair/pairlist/ I've been using them for some low volume stuff for years, and I suspect t

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Tony Sleep
Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: > as the little guy can always use his ISP's > mail server. If only it was that easy! c.1998 I set up the filmscanners list using local s/w sending BCC through my domain host/ISP, cix.co.uk. c.1999 they asked me to make other arrangements as mail volume was contri

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
(Hm. I wonder how far off topic we can go before Jeff pulls the plug on us.) Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Politics and democracy. Again, you must look beyond money. In the end, everything is economics. But I do not advocate kicking poor people off of the Net. I do advocate making

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Earl Hood
On November 21, 2003 at 10:20, Dan Kegel wrote: > > Some would argue that spam exists precisely because running a mail > > server is so economical. Perhaps it should be more expensive. > > > > Small ISPs and organizations can relay mail via their DSL provider's > > servers, just like individuals

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Earl Hood
(Note, do not cc me on messages sent to the list. My action of replying to list messages assumed I am subscribed.) On November 21, 2003 at 12:13, "Patrick J. LoPresti" wrote: > > ADSL and cable are very economical for ISPs and small organizations > > to get connected to the Net. > > Some would

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Tony Sleep
Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: > The solution? Block all cable/DSL/dialup address ranges. (This is > what dialups.easynet.nl is for.) Done. Thanks for the explanation, Pat. Indeed I am running a POP proxy, but send SMTP direct via MX record instead of via my ADSL provider's SMTP. The reason

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Dan Kegel
Patrick J. LoPresti wrote: Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ADSL and cable are very economical for ISPs and small organizations to get connected to the Net. Some would argue that spam exists precisely because running a mail server is so economical. Perhaps it should be more expensive. Sma

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Patrick J. LoPresti
Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ADSL and cable are very economical for ISPs and small organizations > to get connected to the Net. Some would argue that spam exists precisely because running a mail server is so economical. Perhaps it should be more expensive. Small ISPs and organization

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Dave Holland
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:09:37PM -0800, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: > In theory, I don't have to pay anything because Mail-Archive is a > hobby project. Good luck with trying to get a hobbyist subscription... I tried about 18 months ago, and despite asking MAPS repeatedly, they never set it up for m

Re: [Gossip] Re: oodles of spam lists at Mail-Archive.com?

2003-11-21 Thread Kristian Köhntopp
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 08:58, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: > Well, it's not quite that bad. I can't computationally afford to put > SpamAssassin on the existing primary server. I am running a Celeron 1200 with 256 MB RAM and a single IDE disk. The machine is running Suse Linux 8.1 with sendmai