Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-12-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 12:56:36 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > I think the real problem is that there aren't many devs who care about > Java in the first place. That isn't a policy problem - it is a > manpower problem. +1 In the past two years, I've committed much to the Java categories. That grows

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-12-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:20:01 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > What do you do if somebody blocks progress in your overlay structure? > You start another one. Sounds like something that can work, survival of the [insert anything]. > What do you do if somebody blocks progress in the current Gentoo > p

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-12-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:50:48 +0100 hasufell wrote: > Again: you are confusing a specific incident with my proposal of a > distributed model. I was just bringing it up as an _additional_ > argument why I find the distributed approach more interesting... > because it makes it easier to regroup and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-12-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:29:28 +0100 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > And proposing a Java revolution because the existing team > does not immediately jubilate at your extensive reform proposals is > also not necessarily the best idea. For those that disagree, start overlay java2015 and prove him wr

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd as drop-in replacement for udev?

2013-12-06 Thread Tom Wijsman
ore because at this point in time sys-apps/openrc brings the file 'functions.sh' which contains some crucial functions used by those other packages. This is tracked in https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail a

Re: [gentoo-user] trouble emerging (*not* running) systemd on stable amd64

2013-12-06 Thread Tom Wijsman
t with the output of `emerge --info`? Thank you in advance. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there any way out of this...?

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
ev-208::gentoo, installed) This is the actual problem, which I have already covered; just enable the openrc-force USE flag on =gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.6.1 or alternatively mask >=gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8. You need to put -openrc-force in /etc/portage/profile/use.mask to sta

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
x27;t want this so I suggest you to add "gnome-base/gconf" and "media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf" to package.mask. By doing so, you will be warned when something depends on it in the future. In this case you will find that net-im/pidgin[gstreamer] depends on it; thus, you will

Re: [gentoo-user] dev-libs/efl-1.8.0_beta2 fails to emerge on x86

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
advance. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
to set up a voice call in gtalk. > > Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to > use gstreamer? Seems so, you'll need to check with upstream or with the code for more details; but it is just one small package though. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (T

Re: [gentoo-user] Is there any way out of this...?

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
ing to go through unnecessary maintenance by the changes that might happen with their dependencies. PS: This does not imply that I consider other init systems or DEs as bad; I would switch to OpenRC if logid would be forked and boot time decreased (although Patrick demonstrated in a blog post you

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
I think we will never be there, because systemd is not often listed as a dependency (only on ~2 or so GNOME packages?) compared to something like ncurses that is listed all over the place... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Pu

Re: [gentoo-user] trouble emerging (*not* running) systemd on stable amd64

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 07 Dec 2013 12:32:12 -0500 gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: > On Fri, Dec 06 2013, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > A stable ebuild being broken is concerning, the above feels like a > > bug to me; can you file a bug and attach the complete build log and > > comment with the

Re: [gentoo-user] booting with kernel 3.10.17 - services fail to start. Help, please!

2013-12-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
ll > not, at least not yet, since it's 2737 lines long. You can attach it to the email if needed. > Please help me sort out this bug. Thanks! I hope /var/log/messages or /var/log/rc.log contains more details for us, to help you out; could you share those (attach or pastebin)? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] NFS kernel bug

2013-12-08 Thread Tom Wijsman
t regressed, I cannot check in which versions that bad commit is present for (1); though it is definitely limited to versions lower than v3.10.16 as evidenced earlier. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

2013-12-14 Thread Tom Wijsman
base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2] > > Out of sheer curiousity, what needs gnome-base/gconf? The output tells you; pidgin needs gst-plugins-gconf, which needs gconf. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GP

Re: [gentoo-user] re: make distclean

2013-12-16 Thread Tom Wijsman
rior to running 'make distclean'. > > Lesson learnt. :'( Yeah, you will only want to run this if you really need to run it; in common, just starting from `make` after having done configuration changes suffice. You only really need a distclean with a broken build. -- With ki

"Reply-To" Munging Considered Harmful (was: Re: [gentoo-user] re: make distclean)

2013-12-17 Thread Tom Wijsman
people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail add

Re: "Reply-To" Munging Considered Harmful (was: Re: [gentoo-user] re: make distclean)

2013-12-17 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:13:16 -0600 Bruce Hill wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 05:49:30PM +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:24:58 -0600 > > Bruce Hill wrote: > > > > > From: Bruce Hill > > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org &g

Re: [gentoo-user] re: make distclean

2013-12-17 Thread Tom Wijsman
is that? > > It was a soft hint, asking you to not CC me, I'm on the list. Hope > you don't get as offended as some other person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@g

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd service file for http-replicator

2013-12-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
s/http-replicator.service, +files/http-replicator.service.conf, +http-replicator-3.0-r4.ebuild,+http-replicator-4.0_alpha2-r4.ebuild: Add unit file (#492502 by Joerg Neikes) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Finge

Re: [gentoo-user] Can not update @world

2013-12-31 Thread Tom Wijsman
; but note though, that GNOME 2 is near the end of its times so it might be removed some point in the future. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD

Re: [gentoo-user] media-libs/harfbuzz-0.9.23::gentoo failed (compile phase)

2014-01-08 Thread Tom Wijsman
w_bug.cgi?id=497562 so the maintainers can resolve this? You can CC yourself on that bug to keep track of its resolution. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -uD @system with lots of blocks!

2014-01-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
them. But, before doing that; just trying to emerge again after resolving the block might work as well, so, try that first to spare out work. :) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 A

Re: [gentoo-user] Frustrating error message from layman

2014-01-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
contents would be like this: PORTDIR_OVERLAY=" /var/lib/layman/aaa /var/lib/layman/bbb $PORTDIR_OVERLAY /usr/local/portage" > Are the file perms okay? I tried chown-ing everything to > portage:portage but that didn't change anything. I'm stumped. Unsure

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge failed for sys-devel/binutils-2.23.2

2014-01-11 Thread Tom Wijsman
ttps://bugs.gentoo.org and attach all the requested information? At the very least comment with the output of `emerge --info` and attach the complete build.log. Thank you very much in advance. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Purged gnome, lost X. :-(

2014-01-11 Thread Tom Wijsman
x27;s going on here? You'll want to start with inspecting ~/.xinitrc; from there on, look into the configuration of both your session and X itself. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint :

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge failed for sys-devel/binutils-2.23.2

2014-01-11 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 15:19:23 -0800 walt wrote: > On 01/11/2014 02:32 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:16:36 -0500 > > Andrew Penhorwood wrote: > > > >> * ERROR: sys-devel/binutils-2.23.2::gentoo failed (compile > >> phase): > &g

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge failed for sys-devel/binutils-2.23.2

2014-01-11 Thread Tom Wijsman
other mail; you can add -mno-avx at the end of your CFLAGS in /etc/portage/make.conf to avoid the usage of AVX. This is just a wild guess, but I've seen this helping other Linode customers earlier that had similar problems; so, it might help you. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij)

Re: [gentoo-user] Purged gnome, lost X. :-(

2014-01-12 Thread Tom Wijsman
d directories under $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS. The latter defaults to /etc/xdg and I think /etc/xdg/autostart/ might be of interest to investigate here as well. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg Configuration Acer Aspire One

2014-01-27 Thread Tom Wijsman
#x27;s hard to tell which one is correct looking at that, I think it needs some trial and error trying to trim the file down in order to get an idea what is what. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Kworker use >80% of CPU

2014-03-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
ution when searching this online. As a second question, to figure out what '8' is; take a look at `cat /proc/interrupts` where the last one or two columns of that line give it a name. Feel free to share both `dmesg` and that output with us. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWi

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage performance dropped considerably

2014-03-07 Thread Tom Wijsman
smaller patches that also spare out time; if you are interested, you can find them by searching for him on the mailing list. However, I think those other patches will be in a release soon.) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] acroread 9.5.5 segfault

2014-03-19 Thread Tom Wijsman
t "Segmentation fault". Relevant bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488918 -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Kworker use >80% of CPU

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
uck. * https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/acpi-devel -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] using git to track (gentoo) server configs ?

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
ill be able to do that; given it is completely on the server, anything between the most general and the most specific things is entirely in your control. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse dies after a few minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
rrors; they could reveal the underlying reason and/or the source of it. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
possible to disable this > stuff in kernel and guess what will be done on my systems. Similar claims again, without any weight; that is subjective opinion. > > > Looks broken. Broken by design. The worst form of broken. > > > > By your opinion, not others. > > T

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
whereas the full picture includes a lot more than that (eg. core libraries), so, a good winning strategy is to spare money for the rest out there. (Where "winning" means preventing your world from falling apart) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
something like a 10K line program, is easy to fix. [1] http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
ed an > entangled particles paradox as an example of its "flawed" nature. > Though as we know these days such systems exist and are quite well > used in numerous experiments. My point is simple: do not blindly > adhere to someone's words, even if this person has high au

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
as the result of a lack of manpower to support multiple systems. Others aren't stopped from forking and/or wrapping XFCE to (also) support other login facilities than logind; well, under the assumption that they would limit their support... -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
, some "no parents" messages during slot conflict output were nuked, ... If I can type that as part of this mail, people could follow logind. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF

Re: Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
shown in this script. [1]: https://gist.github.com/TomWij/a13abacfb74999c10957 -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
ouldn't; it's a tool for "select"ing from multiple runtime things, that it would (un)install something as part of it would be odd, kind of makes one remember the UNIX philosophy of doing one thing right. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail add

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
age; the other first install things are documented. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
something else should do an appropriate > job. It is actively being worked on from what can be seen. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
proach for systemd > proponents to get systemd added to gentoo as a formally supported > *optional* init system. +1 > Then, and only then, can it be judged on its *merits*, +1 > and then and *only* then should it (imnsho) ever be considered as a > potential candidate for

Re: Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:22:22 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 20/03/2014 20:57, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > Well, running systemd now I can reboot into OpenRC; it just works. > > How is this done? Here, two GRUB entries; alternatively, eselect init to switch symlinks. > &g

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 02:27:11 +0600 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:00:27 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > OpenRC is default in Gentoo now, and it is my best hope it will > > > be. > > > > Do you have a source that backs up this claim? > >

Re: [gentoo-user] ca-certificates: untrusted certificate messages during configure

2014-03-20 Thread Tom Wijsman
org/show_bug.cgi?id=475352 (QA involved) Also make sure you have read the post installation messages. Other than that, I suggest you wait until resolution; there have been reports here and there, so, I assume it'll be fixed in the near future. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Deve

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
ng to do a more complicated migration later on. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:23:05 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2014 4:00 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:53:51 +0400 > > Andrew Savchenko wrote: > >> OpenRC is default in Gentoo now, and it is my best hope it will be. > > > Do you have

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:25:18 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2014 4:14 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Tom - please STOP CC'ing me on these emails. > > I am on the list and don't need two copies. > > Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or wors

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
that fits those needs. Also: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.ac#n798 -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
arseable text from journalctl, > then that is less then useless. Why? There are other output methods. See the man pages... > I would expect an export option providing the same detail level as I > currently find in /var/log/messages. That's what you can control with the various options

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
S Windows Event-viewer has very nice filtering capabilities; beyond that, the detailed information gives you the error code that you can look up in the documentation. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG F

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
tweb/?p=proj/openrc.git;a=log http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/openrc.git;a=shortlog -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
sion in the log and/or summary as they come online; for further details, you can read up here: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
nek said the same in his replies. Yes, I saw that after sending this mail; for most replies I do I check up on it in advance, in this case I missed and/or forgot. Sorry. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
> mailing list. Here's a hint. Lots of people appear to respond to me. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:27:09 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:13:28 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > > Use 'Reply-To-List' function (or equivalent - or worst case, > > > delete my direct email manually yourself) in your email program. &g

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:41:54 +0100 "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > On Fri, March 21, 2014 12:59, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:50:23 +0100 > > "J. Roeleveld" wrote: > > > >> Tom, > >> > >> Please reply to list. No need

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
g list etiquette requires people to CC all the people involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case any of them is not subscribed." -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production environment?

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
e of that, you can make it whatever you want to be nearly unlimited (other than by available manpower). :) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
entire thread; I'm not sure, but can you let us know if the problem is resolved and how? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] "Multiple package instances ....". Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
e part under reveals that you need to increase the backtracking value and try again (if no blocker). -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Compiles take much longer than in the past

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
it is hardware. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:11:25 +0100 eroen wrote: > One would hope (mostly for their image's sake) the gnome team does > not remove gnome-settings-daemon-2 until at least one of > cinnamon-settings-daemon and mate-settings-daemon are included in > gentoo proper. + 05 Mar

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
morrow. > > On this list, you (people who insist on CC-ing the world) are the > minority. On this world, this list (where people that I can count on my fingers insist on not being CC-ed) is a minority. Regardless of both being a minority, they'll continue to be present. -- With ki

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Unable to access USB3 HDD / Pen drive

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
so, please file a bug at https://bugs.gentoo.org -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.18 build problem

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
such that the maintainers are aware of this? That is, only if it is still reproducible today. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] World update and dev-lang/python-exec weirdness...

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
l/gentoo-sources` in the installation; it is a slotted package, it only brings in the latest visible version. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
s of people tell you to do something that conflicts, which one would be picked? Well, pick the one that respects our etiquette; and along that, the same one guarantees that my time is spent wise. Similarly, would you spend time to keep asking this everytime it happens by one or another individu

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
one. Sometimes they ask a question, but receive no answer so they are gone 20 or 30 minutes later. Similarly; we're now a month later in this ML thread, who says people are still subscribed? On IRC, if you pay notice to the many join/part/quits and don't filter them, you can still spot that

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
for details. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-21 Thread Tom Wijsman
-- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
xample procmail rule, as well as my mail client, neither of both do that here. > Do you see what I'm getting at? No; I don't see why I should stop following the mailing list etiquette, start relying on possibly wasting time as well as break what is fixed. But yes; for convenience

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
guaranteed to be useful, I respect that you don't want to be CC-ed in follow-up mails. Similarly; if someone is off-list; it takes a single mail to keep me from sending additional mails. As it clarifies a disengagement; that unsubscribing is meant to be a disengagement, I can't find that

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
are still awaiting a reply; the only respectful guarantee that works for the both of us is if the user states a solution was found and/or addresses me to send no further emails, that gives guarantees. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG P

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
he time to do it. My past commits were spent on bringing MATE to the Portage tree; if I would work on a logind implementation, there wouldn't be MATE. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:56:17 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:15:49 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > Here's something that works for the both of us: Request someone to > > not CC you in a follow-up mail when you catch them do it, they'll > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
mention that. Yes, I am inconsistent with *THIS* mailing list; let's change things to make such inconsistency unnecessary, to fix this forever and always. Otherwise we'll continue to get responses like these http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/273297 while we could ju

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
oing to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it?" > Lots of people confuse factual statements with personal attacks. As demonstrated above, the confusion is easily made. > That said, I've never been know for being tactful... ;) But what have you been known for? :) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:28:25 -0300 luis jure wrote: > > el 2014-03-22 a las 15:50 Tom Wijsman escribió: > > > How to set this up per folder? > > rigth-click on the folder, "Properties..." -> "Compose" -> "default > to:" Thank you v

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:38:54 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:28:25 -0300 > luis jure wrote: > > > > > el 2014-03-22 a las 15:50 Tom Wijsman escribió: > > > > > How to set this up per folder? > > > > rigth-click on the

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-misc/synaptiks crashes immediately

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
n script, you might need to use strace and/or ltrace to discover which Python script this is. A next step could be to use a debugger on that Python script if the trace, strace and/or ltrace are insufficient to reveal the cause. When you have found the cause, can you file the details in a bug at https:

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
e made off-list; that way, the topic can remain. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
k again; if that's the case, I suggest you to consider a git bisect between the two releases to find the bad commit: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_git-bisect -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fi

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
ette requires people to CC all the people involved in a particular thread in replies to the mailing list, in case any of them is not subscribed." — http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Procmail -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public

Re: [gentoo-user] issue 2973

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 13:35:06 +0100 Karol wrote: > -- listname+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org > B.S. Replace listname by gentoo-user; to unsubscribe, send that mail to: gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail a

Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks ***

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
hat was done; I always intend to follow the rules. Sorry; I hope you see where this approach came from, I'm not trying to override a majority or intentionally act different than the community. Sorry again; thank you for your understanding. PS: To make it clear that I stopped: The last

Re: [gentoo-user] No motherboard beep since kernel upgrade

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:35:20 +0100 null_ptr wrote: > On 23/03/14 11:06, Tom Wijsman wrote: > Switching to the old kernel fixed it so I bisected the linux-stable > sources (as in the wiki) and the first bad commit is bd450dcc357. > Attached is the bisect.log. > Since it seems lik

Re: [gentoo-user]

2014-03-23 Thread Tom Wijsman
nt with the output of `emerge --info` and attach build.log as well as config.log? Thank you in advance. If needed, resources with extra details about filing bug reports: - https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Beautiful_bug_reports - https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bugzilla_HOWTO -- With kind regards, Tom Wi

Re: [gentoo-user] rubygems-1.9.1 error

2014-03-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
4951 Apr 20 > 2012 /usr/lib64/ruby/1.9.1/rubygems.rb > > What now? It can't load what is on line 30 of that file; there'll be a require instruction, and that require instruction would bring in another file. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail a

Re: [gentoo-user] rubygems-1.9.1 error

2014-03-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:44:23 + Mick wrote: > On Monday 24 Mar 2014 21:28:56 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:23:55 + > > > > Mick wrote: > > > /usr/lib64/ruby/1.9.1/rubygems.rb:30:in `require': cannot load > > > such file -- ru

Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of Python2 (where possible)

2014-03-28 Thread Tom Wijsman
ython2_7 from PYTHON_TARGETS but then > I cannot re-install portage although it is based on Python3. Why is this? Can you share us the log or output of that? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of Python2 (where possible)

2014-03-28 Thread Tom Wijsman
dependencies; that way, it doesn't create the conflict you saw. (Backtracking 9001 so it is sufficiently high to not cause conflicts) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] How to get rid of Python2 (where possible)

2014-03-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
package is 2.x-only, you'll need to build its dependencies with 2.x too for it to be able to function. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-user] How to appoint python version for a package

2014-04-02 Thread Tom Wijsman
SyntaxError: invalid syntax Can you attach the complete build.log? PS: Note that I'm the maintainer of app-editors/retext. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

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