Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 19:28:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > because not everybody wants to install that bloated thing Not bloated. > watch it devour config files Lies. > and be insulted by the troll-brigade. The only people who get insulted are those who repeatedly and deliberately sp

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 20:27:52 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote: > Maybe "they" were waiting so many years because "they" have never > asked users about what users really need and think about it. What? > "It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have > nothing to offer you, and y

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 20:38:49 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote: > No, it is NOT. Then what is it? If you're not sniping at me (or possibly the genkdesvn team) for being involved with Exherbo, why did you post that here?

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 21:37:21 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2008, David Leverton wrote: > > On Sunday 14 September 2008 19:28:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > because not everybody wants to install that bloated thing > > > > Not bloat

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 21:39:39 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote: > That's simple :) > The mentioned quotation is an accurate conclusion That phrase does not make sense. > of discussion about "why Gentoo users shoud use paludis to install > and test KDE4 desktop efficiently ?". That quotation is no

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 22:02:08 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote: > You has just confirmed again your attitude towards Gentoo users who > want to use KDE4. Er, I have no attitude, either positive or negative, towards Gentoo users who want to use KDE 4. Kindly explain what the hell you're talking ab

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 14 September 2008 22:38:42 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > yeah, sure. But no. Not lies. Or why were this guys forcefully retired? For > their behaviour. No, to prevent Gentoo from losing a major sponsor. > Also: > http://r0bertz.blogspot.com/2007/01/be-careful-when-you-are-on-paludis.htm

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/16 Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I didn't say they were.You're never going to convince Volker, but you may > well have succeeded in discouraging others from try Paludis. On what grounds? "The Paludis developers don't like being lied about, therefore I won't use Paludis"? I don't th

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 20:51:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: > That is not for you to decide. The user - ANY user - is free to decide what > software they want to run and under what conditions, free from irrelevant > judgements of "suitability" from self-appointed arbiters of . Well, yes, I'm just s

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 20:54:43 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:42:09 +0100, David Leverton wrote: > > > I didn't say they were.You're never going to convince Volker, but you > > > may well have succeeded in discouraging others from try P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:14:47 b.n. wrote: > Frankly, the more you challenge him this mindless way, the more I > believe him. If you think in such backwards logic then I don't care who you believe.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:13:01 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:15:38 +0100, David Leverton wrote: > > > Because your attitude was abrasive and antagonistic. > > > > I trust these people won't be using Linux either, then? > > Manners and respe

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:39:12 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > 1. You are not linus. "It's OK for people I like to do this, but not people I don't like"? > 2. That list is not intended for users, but for developers. Not even slightly relevant. > 3. You are not linus. See above.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote: > I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by people > like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with your opinions. What on Earth makes you think that? Volker is certainly not asking for help, and he is not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:47:49 »Q« wrote: > It's not "backwards logic". "The Paludis developer posts evidence that the liar is lying, therefore I'm going to believe the liar" is entirely backwards.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:53:20 b.n. wrote: > David Leverton ha scritto: > > On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote: > >> I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by > >> people like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or d

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 00:10:26 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > I provided evidence. You provided lies. > You attacked me. I defended my project against your attacks. > That is the last thing I will post in this thread or as an answer to you. A likely story.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 00:27:54 b.n. wrote: > If he *knew* it was idiotic, he *would not* have done it, isn't it? That's his problem. > Until I will see anti-paludis campaigns in the streets, sorry, it's just > paranoia. That seems like a rather arbitrary restriction. As you said, most

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 01:16:06 b.n. wrote: > No, that's *your* problem now, because you and your accolites now look > like a bunch of arrogant a**holes, instead of helpful people. If that helps drive away idiots, then fine. Non-idiots won't use that as a reason to use or not to use the

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-16 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 00:50:42 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > Rather, "It is less objectionable for people who have accomplished a > very great deal and have greatly improved the computing environment > for the members of the corresponding mailing list". "Like" would not > apply as I don't know

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-17 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/17 Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is after many requests from others for you to calm down on the list What exactly am I doing that isn't "calm"? > two private mails from myself asking the same, both of which you have not > answered. I only received one, that didn't contain any

Re: [gentoo-user] F'ing Idiots on IRC Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-17 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/17 Zhang Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Actually I still don't think --resume --skipfirst can do big harm to my > system. > After all, my system have been running well for several years. If you get so many build failures that you feel the need to systematically ignore them, then your system is

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

2008-09-17 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 22:23:24 Kent Fredric wrote: > So much easier through poo-tinted glasses. At least you admit your bias.

Re: [gentoo-user] F'ing Idiots on IRC Re: A plea for calm

2008-09-20 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 20 September 2008 05:55:21 Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Winner on what grounds? From the tone of the vast majority of his posts > it would seem to be "he who posts in most vitriolic manner". Not > commendable. Do you really expect that, after all the lies, slander, FUD and personal attacks